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« on: June 06, 2017, 06:43:45 AM »

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/chatham-county/article154446014.html


http://abc11.com/news/missing-teens-body-found-in-chatham-county-lake/2066636/
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2017, 12:22:02 PM »

That's a shame.  Seems like some funny business goes on at the lake.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2017, 01:05:33 PM »

That's a shame.  Seems like some funny business goes on at the lake.


Check this out:

http://jhs-alumni.com/12420/Sugar_Lake_Then_and_Now
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2017, 05:59:35 PM »

Thanks.  I've been aware of its history.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2017, 07:28:29 AM »

Thanks.  I've been aware of its history.

 Many relatively "new" people to the county are not aware of it being there, much less the history.   It is indeed an interesting place with a colorful history.  
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2017, 04:45:09 PM »

Thanks.  I've been aware of its history.

 Many relatively "new" people to the county are not aware of it being there, much less the history.   It is indeed an interesting place with a colorful history.  

The fewer people know it's there, the better; it's private property and posted as such.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 07:29:01 AM »


The fewer people know it's there, the better; it's private property and posted as such.

Not sure I agree with that.  There are enough young people that know about it, but, perhaps their parents do not.  High School students still frequent the place illegally, and are usually engaged in, shall I say "under age" consumption of beverages.   

The whole Private Property posting is confusing to me.  Most property is private in our county. (well maybe not if we count all the acreage taken in by Jordan Lake and it surrounding land !)   Being on privately owned property without permission is trespassing.   With or without a posted sign.    Guess the signs are like locks on doors.  They mostly keep the honest people out.   

Regarding this property, it is just too bad that some development or use of it could not be planned, designed and built.  Perhaps that would eliminate the trespassing and various risky activities.  Would probably be pretty costly though.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2017, 08:58:39 AM »


The fewer people know it's there, the better; it's private property and posted as such.

The whole Private Property posting is confusing to me.  though.

1911A is correct.  The fewer people that know about it, the better.  This incident where the young man lost his life will probably only encourage others to want to go there.  If only to assuage their curiosity.  Therefore, the fewer that know about it, the better.

I believe the operative part of the phrase Private Property is the word "private".  The less people know, the better.  It's for the same reason you would would never publicly list all the valuable items in your home and then provide the address.  It's better for others simply not to know, if possible.  If the cat is already out of the bag, it serves nothing to rehash it.

Since it is private property, what exactly gives us the right to ask that it be developed for public use?
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 10:48:38 AM »

Since it is private property, what exactly gives us the right to ask that it be developed for public use?

My thought was not asking for it to be developed for public use.  Actually, the opposite.  Developed for private use, was my thought.  Perhaps with more physical barriers and controlled access.  SCUBA lessons/club?   RV campground?    Never been there, don't know the terrain.  Dunno.  Maybe it's current use is the highest and best use the owners have in mind.   Their choice for sure.  
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 02:34:59 PM »

Maybe it's current use is the highest and best use the owners have in mind.  

Hmm.  Maybe it's a really good fishing hole?
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2017, 05:48:38 PM »

so why develop it at all? 

if it's privately developed for the commercial use mentioned above,
there are all sorts of liabilities and headaches involved.   

Fence it, Post it and call to have trespassers removed and arrested. 

If it's private property, the owner(s) don't have to do anything with it.
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2017, 06:11:13 AM »


The fewer people know it's there, the better; it's private property and posted as such.

Not sure I agree with that.  There are enough young people that know about it, but, perhaps their parents do not.  High School students still frequent the place illegally, and are usually engaged in, shall I say "under age" consumption of beverages.

I mentioned why in a previous post -- and you just listed another one of the big reasons -- shenanigans happen often there to/with people that have no business being on the property.  I fail to see how their parents not knowing changes anything.

When #64 was being widened, some genius and friends thought it was a brilliant idea to steal a piece of heavy equipment and drive it right into the water.

The owners have to keep reinforcing the only entry opening in the rocks/trees to keep people out.
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2017, 06:16:24 AM »

so why develop it at all? 

if it's privately developed for the commercial use mentioned above,
there are all sorts of liabilities and headaches involved.   

Fence it, Post it and call to have trespassers removed and arrested. 

If it's private property, the owner(s) don't have to do anything with it.

Exactly.

If it was my property, I'd worry about liability issues regarding trespassers.  Does "posting" alleviate that?
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2017, 07:02:45 AM »


If it's private property, the owner(s) don't have to do anything with it.

Agree 100%.    Just sayn' they could if they wanted to.  

Seems like a pretty big tax liability and headache for them and the community right now.    Seems.   Again, don't know much about it.   Hasn't there been several drownings there over years? ( years after/since it was closed to the public)    
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2017, 07:07:43 AM »


Exactly.

If it was my property, I'd worry about liability issues regarding trespassers.  Does "posting" alleviate that?

Agree, me too.  Good question about "posted".    Don't homeowner insurance companies require pool owners to have them fully fenced in or enclosed in order to provide liability  insurance coverage?   Think so.    That might not be apples to apples though. 
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