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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2016, 12:20:45 PM »

Mitt Romney won the popular vote over Obama. Where was the fight then?

Howdy Mary! I remember Gore having the popular vote against Bushy-O-Boy, but I don't remember Romney having it? I could be wrong?

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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2016, 03:41:04 PM »

Hi Jeff,

Yes, the last time they ran four years ago Romney had the popular vote much by the same percentage they say Hillary had this time. No massive broo ha ha about it.

Doing fairly well... just living with the pesky you know what! And bad antibiotic side effects.
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2016, 05:47:07 PM »

Mitt Romney won the popular vote over Obama. Where was the fight then?

WRONG...Obama defeated Romney, winning both the popular vote and the electoral college, with 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206. Per the records and facts Wink
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2016, 06:18:23 PM »

Mitt Romney won the popular vote over Obama. Where was the fight then?

WRONG...Obama defeated Romney, winning both the popular vote and the electoral college, with 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206. Per the records and facts Wink

Rabit,

Seeing that you appear to be the only liberal frequenting the BBS, I would like to ask your opinion: For the past eight years, a lot of people have put up with the Democrat's choice for president. As you well know, a lot of people complained, but they put up with him. Why don't many folks on the left have the character and integrity to do the same?

Btw, did you look at the video I posted for you? It certainly was validated quite a while ago on this very forum regarding the proclivity of the left to customarily hurl insults whenever challenged while RARELY ever taking the time to explain your reasoning!
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2016, 03:59:45 PM »


As you well know, a lot of people complained, but they put up with him. Why don't many folks on the left have the character and integrity to do the same?


I'm not spending much time on this thread, but i've been checking in. I think the difference is that while there were likely concerns that Obama would be taking away choices and guns, there weren't the concerns that Trump has driven: that my friends' marriages might be disregarded, that my brother's family won't be able to get back into the States (because his wife and kids are Muslim), that my brother in law from Argentina might be detained on some suspicion he's not here legally, that my colleague will be pulled over and, if he moves the wrong way, shot.  If this was just about taxes and trade deals and medical care and Supreme Court appointments, i don't think there would be this reaction. But the fear that families will be pulled apart is what leads folks to protest and fight.

Now, i might be wrong in my understanding of what the worries were for an Obama presidency, and maybe you can share with me what your fears were. I did appreciate the starting post of this thread.
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2016, 04:19:49 PM »


As you well know, a lot of people complained, but they put up with him. Why don't many folks on the left have the character and integrity to do the same?


I'm not spending much time on this thread, but i've been checking in. I think the difference is that while there were likely concerns that Obama would be taking away choices and guns, there weren't the concerns that Trump has driven: that my friends' marriages might be disregarded, that my brother's family won't be able to get back into the States (because his wife and kids are Muslim), that my brother in law from Argentina might be detained on some suspicion he's not here legally, that my colleague will be pulled over and, if he moves the wrong way, shot.  If this was just about taxes and trade deals and medical care and Supreme Court appointments, i don't think there would be this reaction. But the fear that families will be pulled apart is what leads folks to protest and fight.

Now, i might be wrong in my understanding of what the worries were for an Obama presidency, and maybe you can share with me what your fears were. I did appreciate the starting post of this thread.

People didn't necessarily just "put up with" Obama getting elected.  If people will recall, it was his election and the bank bailouts that spawned the tea party.  The tea party was specifically about taxes and the debt.

1. Same Sex Marriage: Won't be disregarded.  Trump can't change that.  Even a change in the majority of the USSC hasn't changed Roe vs Wade, so you're unlikely to see any change on that either.  
2. Muslims coming into the states are welcome so long as they come in via the established process that would include a background check if there is any question about them.  If they can't pass a background check, should they really be here?  
3. The guy from Argentina could be detained base on arbitrary policies of the TSA, which Obama could have dismantled I guess but didn't.  How many horror stories about people getting into the country are there on Obama's watch?  Thousands. 
4. Obama has been president while people have been pulled over and shot.  Dems have had the majority in Congress, yet that has happened on their watch too, has it not?  Heck, it might even happen more often in areas of the country predominantly controlled by Democrat politicians.  How does Trump have anything to do with that?  He doesn't.

The idea that "families are going to be pulled apart" is baseless handwringing on the part of liberals.  It is an emotional reaction to the outcome of the election that isn't based on facts or evidence.  It's simply fear mongering.

Protesting is fine.  But this type of protesting is a) violent at times and b) not based on realistic concerns.  Still, people have the right to protest.  But none of the concerns you bought up are unique to periods of time in which Republicans are in control.
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2016, 04:24:44 PM »

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I think the difference is that while there were likely concerns that Obama would be taking away choices and guns, there weren't the concerns that Trump has driven: that my friends' marriages might be disregarded, that my brother's family won't be able to get back into the States (because his wife and kids are Muslim), that my brother in law from Argentina might be detained on some suspicion he's not here legally, that my colleague will be pulled over and, if he moves the wrong way, shot.

All this is happening now under Øbongo. How would it be different?
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2016, 04:29:15 PM »

Some additional commentary for the Democrats:

The concerns about Obama had to do with his support for bigger, more powerful federal governance.  Those concerns have been validated based on:

1. His broken promises with respect to transparency.
2. The ACA debacle.
3. The wholesale collection of personal correspondence without a warrant or any due process.
4. Use of the IRS to intimidate political opponents.
5. Spying on Congress by the Obama Admin.
6. Spying on journalists by the Obama Admin.

Just to name a few.  This doesn't scratch the surface but you get the idea.  The fundamental issue with liberal ideals is that they are all based on the idea that it is necessary to grant more power to government in order to make things "fair".  Their idea is to use government as an opposing force for powerful business interests.

Unfortunately, giving the government more power and influence has the opposite effect.  The more power government gets, the more they are able to choose winners and losers via regulation.  Thus, it is not the marketplace that determines which companies are successful.  It becomes all about each company's ability to lobby for its own interests effectively.  That's not how it is supposed to work and is anathema to the concepts of capitalism.

If you want to know the biggest concern about Obama and other socialists, I've just laid it out for you.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2016, 05:08:25 PM »


As you well know, a lot of people complained, but they put up with him. Why don't many folks on the left have the character and integrity to do the same?


I'm not spending much time on this thread, but i've been checking in. I think the difference is that while there were likely concerns that Obama would be taking away choices and guns, there weren't the concerns that Trump has driven: that my friends' marriages might be disregarded, that my brother's family won't be able to get back into the States (because his wife and kids are Muslim), that my brother in law from Argentina might be detained on some suspicion he's not here legally, that my colleague will be pulled over and, if he moves the wrong way, shot.  If this was just about taxes and trade deals and medical care and Supreme Court appointments, i don't think there would be this reaction. But the fear that families will be pulled apart is what leads folks to protest and fight.

Now, i might be wrong in my understanding of what the worries were for an Obama presidency, and maybe you can share with me what your fears were. I did appreciate the starting post of this thread.


Just to be clear, the violent protests do not seem to be at all reasonable! Much in the sense that not all on the left are guilty of throwing out insults instead of talking through the issues, well, not all on the left are engaged in rioting (which is vastly different from protesting). It seems the reasoning you've laid out, EG, is much more likely based on people thinking with their emotions driven by rhetoric, as opposed to a real application of critical thinking processes. This is nothing new, of course, but it appears that Trump has no chance in the minds of a lot of folks. Of course, there are concerns, but we can also allow Trump an opportunity to govern before we commit him to the flames. Further, the reasons are aplenty to conclude Trump is an immoral man, but that doesn't mean God can't use him for His purposes. For the record, I'm certainly no Trump fan, but please, let's just wait and see on some of these issues and fears whether they're warranted or not. I honestly don't think it will be as dastardly as promoted.
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2016, 05:20:19 AM »


As you well know, a lot of people complained, but they put up with him. Why don't many folks on the left have the character and integrity to do the same?


I'm not spending much time on this thread, but i've been checking in. I think the difference is that while there were likely concerns that Obama would be taking away choices and guns, there weren't the concerns that Trump has driven: that my friends' marriages might be disregarded, that my brother's family won't be able to get back into the States (because his wife and kids are Muslim), that my brother in law from Argentina might be detained on some suspicion he's not here legally, that my colleague will be pulled over and, if he moves the wrong way, shot.  If this was just about taxes and trade deals and medical care and Supreme Court appointments, i don't think there would be this reaction. But the fear that families will be pulled apart is what leads folks to protest and fight.

Now, i might be wrong in my understanding of what the worries were for an Obama presidency, and maybe you can share with me what your fears were. I did appreciate the starting post of this thread.

Wow, you sure have a typical United Nations family.
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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2016, 09:56:08 AM »

Here's a prime example of government having too much power and picking a winner that would otherwise be a loser.  And using taxpayer money to prop it up.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/13/its-time-to-stop-spending-taxpayer-dollars-on-elon-musk-and-cronyism/

Already grossly subsidized, Musk’s SolarCity has become an albatross of waste, fraud, and abuse of tax payer dollars. As legitimate earnings and cash become even scarcer for SolarCity, its entanglement in the Tesla empire suggests that a drastic reckoning not only is imminent, but in fact emboldening Musk to become more outlandish and reckless.

Notably, SolarCity is run by Musk’s cousins, Lyndon and Peter Rive. During his chairmanship at SolarCity, Musk’s family enterprise has taken in billions of taxpayer dollars in subsidies from both the federal and local governments. But the subsidies and sweetheart deals were not enough, as losses and missed projections continued to mount.

Ultimately, rather than endure the embarrassment of collapse and further damage to the public image of Musk and Tesla, the cousins conspired to have Tesla simply purchase SolarCity this year. The conditions of the deal screamed foul play.

To say nothing of what sense it might make for an automaker to purchase a solar installation company, Tesla stockholders were being forced to absorb a failing, cash-burning company and pay top dollar to do so.

While cost cutting and corporate restructuring should have been the priority for a company swimming in debt and burning through available cash, SolarCity in fact has been doubling down on the failed model of taxpayer support. The desperate thirst for handouts has manifested itself in some of the murkiest political waters imaginable.

Thanks to Musk’s cozy relationship with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, the state has granted at least $750 million of its taxpayers’ money to SolarCity, building the company a factory and charging it only $1 per year in rent.

It would be hard to imagine such an operation would not be lucrative for its shareholders. And yet somehow, SolarCity never has made a profit.

It’s not just in New York. In this year’s race for Arizona Corporation Commission, the state’s public utilities overseers, only one outside group funneled cash into the contest.

All of the $3 million donated by that group, Energy Choice for America, came from SolarCity. The beneficiaries are candidates who have signaled their willingness to be part of the “green machine” that greases the skids for lucrative government subsidies.

Burning through taxpayer dollars, buying elections, and expanding a network of crony capitalism has become so inherent to the SolarCity model that $3 million to a public commissioner’s race, brazen though it may be, is only a drop in the bucket for Musk and SolarCity.

In 2013 alone, SolarCity received $127.4 million in federal grants. The following year, in which it received only $342,000 from the same stimulus package, total revenue was just $176 million and the company posted a net loss of $375 million.

Despite an expansion of operations and claims to be the leader in the industry, SolarCity never has been able to survive without serious help from government subsidies and grants. The failure to responsibly turn taxpayer dollars into a profitable renewable energy provider has led to SolarCity’s collapse into the welcoming arms of Tesla.

And with Tesla, SolarCity in fact will be right at home, compounding a disastrous shell game that Elon Musk is playing with government resources.

It has been widely reported that among SolarCity, Tesla, and the rocket company SpaceX, Elon Musk’s confederacy of interests has gotten at least $4.9 billion in taxpayer support over the past 10 years.

This is almost half of Musk’s supposed net worth—taken from the pockets of American citizens and put into companies that can survive only by cannibalizing each other, spending without end, and promising that success is always just beyond the horizon and yet never arrives.

More at the link.
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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2016, 07:19:35 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2016, 02:41:23 PM »

I suspect much of the graffiti was actually done by anti-Trump zealots who are trying to perpetuate the false racism narrative.

Maybe some of the same people threatening Trump with assassination.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/11/assassination-threats-against-trump-flood-twitter-after-election-shocker/

Those are the real "thugs".


And like people weren't suggesting targets on Clinton's head~Richard Burr for one. Of ALL people to glibly joke about that after what was done to Gabby Giffords? How insensitive can one be...maybe he was in Paris when she returned to the floor maimed, but determined~yet a shining star 'snuffed out'.

The middle school incident of hate is on vid as much other. The incidence my friend told me today of his nephew's account. OWN IT! Just like the black church that was burned with Vote Trump painted on the side. I KNOW Roll Eyes it will create jobs, jobs, jobs to rebuild it...




News about the church arson with "Vote Trump" painted on the side:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html?_r=0
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