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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2015, 07:01:04 AM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."


UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2015, 07:56:57 AM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."


UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?

why would someone respond on a thread where they've been called an idiot, their spouse has been called an idiot and have been told they deserve to die?
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2015, 08:15:00 AM »


why would someone respond on a thread where they've been called an idiot, their spouse has been called an idiot and have been told they deserve to die?

Perhaps to logically defend their position,and their spouse's position, with some rational arguments of discussion? 
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2015, 11:35:59 AM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."



UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?


why would someone respond on a thread where they've been called an idiot, their spouse has been called an idiot and have been told they deserve to die?


As we all may as a result of who has been put in leadership positions by the voters.  It is a likely predicament we'll all face because we aren't addressing the real problems.  In fact, we've made ignoring the actual issues our standard operating procedure.

You might not like the fact that I've insulted UNC70, but the time for being nice has passed.  I stopped being nice when accusations of racist and bigotry fly when there is a policy disagreement.  You, Clyde, and progressives like you will resort to just about anything to further your agenda.  No.  No more.  Progressives like to fight dirty while pretending to be offended and victimized.

Well, we're not falling for that anymore.  If you say moronic things constantly, then I'm going to refer to you as a moron.  UNC70 is not very smart.  Neither are you.  You pop in with a comment here and there, but much like UNC70, when the going gets tough you suddenly disappear.  Like this thread:  http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,32776.0.html

So you come in, make an accusation that (of course) turns out not to be true.  Then as soon as the points start getting made, you play the victim.  We're all just meanies, so nobody wants to respond.  B.S.  If that was the case you wouldn't keep popping up.  You know good and well that you're not up to the task of defending your own point of view.  That's why you suddenly disappear.

You hold certain world views you can't defend worth a damn.  You make accusations that are immediately proven false.  Then you run when pressed.  The fact that the phrase "cowardly moron" fits you so well isn't my fault.  You seem bound and determined to prove that is the case.

Do you have anything rational to contribute?  Or are you just like a little dog that defecates on the carpet?  You have nothing to offer but a turd, but at least that gets you some attention...even if it's negative.
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2015, 03:23:40 PM »

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Dear Liberal…Here’s Why I’m So Hostile

First of all, let me say that we probably agree on more things than you think.  Even between Tea Party Patriots and Occupy Wall-Streeters, I’ve observed a common hatred of the insidious alliance between big business and big government.  As Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI) so correctly noted, government should never be in the business of picking winners and losers in corporate America, and no person, organization, union, or corporation should have their own key to the back door of our government.

Second, contrary to popular belief, conservatives really are concerned with the plight of the poor in this nation.  You accuse us of being uncompassionate, hateful, racist, and greedy, but studies have shown that when it comes to charitable giving, conservatives are at least (if not more, depending on the study you read) as generous as liberals in caring for the poor.  The difference between us is not in our attitude towards the problem – it’s our attitude towards the solution.  We believe that the government does practically nothing well (since without competition or a profit motive there is no incentive to do well) and has made the plight of the poor far worse than it would have ever been had government never gotten involved.  For a stark example of this, look no farther than the condition of the black family in America since the “War on Poverty” began.  You believe that more government is the answer, and that if we only throw more money at the problem, the problem will go away.  We believe, as Reagan so aptly stated,

    Government is not the solution to our problems;  government is the problem.

Third, as people who might actually have to avail ourselves of a doctor’s services at some point in our lives, we are just as concerned with the condition of America’s healthcare system as you are.  While we believe that America has the world’s most capable physicians, has the world’s most innovative pharmaceutical industry, and is on the cutting edge of medical technology, we also understand that the delivery system is far from perfect.  However, unlike you, we see a grave danger in turning the administration of that delivery system over to the same entity that is responsible for giving us the United States Postal Service.  There are private sector solutions that should certainly be explored before we kill the system, altogether, by giving it to the government to run.

Now that we’ve touched on a couple of points of common ground, allow me to explain my aggressiveness towards your efforts to implement your progressive agenda.  First, let’s talk about the word “progressive”, since you now seem to prefer that word to “liberal”.  In order to label something as progressive or regressive, one must have some idea as to what constitutes progress.  What is the ideal towards which you are striving?  An idea is considered progressive if it moves us closer to the ideal and regressive if it moves us further away.  So, what is your ideal society?

Though I can’t begin to discern the thoughts of every liberal who may read this, nor can I assume that every liberal has the same notion of an ideal society, in my arguments with liberals over the years, I couldn’t help but notice the influence that FDR’s Second Bill of Rights has had in shaping the beliefs of the modern liberal with regards to domestic policy.  The rights that FDR cited are:

    The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
    The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
    The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
    The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
    The right of every family to a decent home;
    The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
    The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
    The right to a good education.

At this point, you’re probably screaming, “Right on!!”, and who can blame you?  What sane person in the world doesn’t want everyone to be gainfully employed, adequately fed, smartly clothed, appropriately sheltered, and properly educated?  These are the goals of every moral society on the planet, however we cannot ignore the fundamental question of, “At what cost?”

I’m not sure whether FDR was a shallow thinker or simply a shrewd, Machiavellian politician, but the fact that he framed each of these ideals as a human right should be troubling to every freedom-loving person in America.  After all, what does it mean for something to be a human right?  Doesn’t it mean that it’s something to which you are entitled simply by virtue of your being human?  Let’s think about some of the basic rights that the real Bill of Rights delineates: freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to petition the government, freedom to bear arms, freedom from illegal search and seizure, etc.

If you’re moderately intelligent and intellectually honest, you’ll quickly see what separates the rights laid out in the real Bill of Rights from those laid out in FDR’s misguided list – none of the rights listed above require the time, treasure, or talents of another human being.  Your right to speak requires nothing from anyone else.  Your right to practice your religion requires nothing from any of your fellow citizens.  Your right to bear arms means that you are allowed to possess weapons to defend yourself and your family, but it makes no demand that a weapon be provided to you by anyone.  A true human right is one that you possess, even if you’re the only person on the entire planet – and it is unconditional.

FDR’s list is no “Bill of Rights”.  It’s a list of demands.  If I have a right to a job, doesn’t that mean that one must be provided to me?  If I have a right to adequate food, clothing, and recreation, doesn’t that mean that I am entitled to those things, and someone should provide them to me?  If I have an inherent right to a decent home, once again, doesn’t that mean it should be provided to me, regardless of my ability to afford one or build one for myself?  

You might protest that FDR only meant that we have the right to pursue those things, but that’s not what he said, and why would he?  If we live in a free society, our right to pursue those things is self-evident, is it not?  Besides, if he only believed in our right to pursue those things, he would not have felt the need to implement the New Deal.

You may be getting anxious, now, wondering what FDR’s Second Bill of Rights has to do with my antipathy towards your political philosophy.  It’s quite simple – your political beliefs are a threat to liberty – not just for me, but for my three boys and their children as well.  I care much less about the America that I’m living in at this very moment than I do about the one that I’m leaving Nathaniel, Charlie, and Jackson.

How does your political bent threaten my and my sons personal liberty, you ask?  In your irrational attempt to classify things such as clothing, shelter, health care, employment, and income as basic human rights, you are placing a demand upon my time, my treasure, and my talents.  If you believe that you have a right to health care, and you are successful in persuading enough shallow thinkers to think as you do, then it will place a demand upon me to provide it to you.  If you believe that you have a right to a job, and more than half of America agrees with you, as a business owner, I am obligated to provide one to you, even if it means making my business less profitable.

The fact is, you can rail against my conservatism all you wish.  You can make fun of my Tea Party gatherings, and you can ridicule patriots in tri-corner hats until you wet yourself from mirth, but one thing is for certain: my political philosophy will NEVER be a threat to your freedom.  If you feel a burning responsibility to the poor, conservatism will never prevent you from working 80 hours per week and donating all of your income to charity.  If you feel a strong sense of pity for a family who cannot afford health insurance, my political philosophy will never prevent you from purchasing health insurance for this family or raising money to do so, if you cannot afford it, personally.  If you are moved with compassion for a family who is homeless, a conservative will never use the police power of government to prevent you from taking that family in to your own home or mobilizing your community to build one for them.

However, you cannot say the same for liberalism.  If I choose not to give to the poor for whatever reason, you won’t simply try to persuade me on the merits of the idea – you will seek to use the government as an instrument of plunder to force me to give to the poor.  If we are walking down the street together and we spot a homeless person, using this logic, you would not simply be content with giving him $20 from your own pocket – you would hold a gun to my head and force me to give him $20, as well.

Everything that modern liberalism accomplishes is accomplished at the barrel of a government rifle.  You do not trust in the generosity of the American people to provide, through private charity, things such as clothing, food, shelter, and health care, so you empower the government to take from them and spend the money on wasteful, inefficient, and inadequate government entitlement programs.  You do not trust in the personal responsibility of the average American to wield firearms in defense of themselves and their families, so you seek to empower the government to criminalize the use and possession of firearms by private citizens.  Everytime you empower the government, you lose more of your personal liberty – it’s an axiomatic truth.

What angers me the most about you is the eagerness with which you allow the incremental enslavement to occur.  You are the cliched and proverbial frog in the pot who has actually convinced himself that he’s discovered a big, silver jacuzzi.  Somehow, you’re naive enough to believe that one more degree of heat won’t really matter that much.

I have the utmost respect for a slave who is continuously seeking a path to freedom.  What I cannot stomach is a free man who is continuous seeking a path to servitude by willingly trading his freedom for the false sense of security that government will provide.

I am reminded of Samuel Adams’ impassioned speech where he stated:

    “If ye love wealth (or security) better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”

Servitude can exist in a free society, but freedom cannot exist in a slave nation.  In a free country, you have the liberty to join with others of your political ilk and realize whatever collectivist ideals you can dream up.  You can start your own little commune where the sign at the front gate says, “From each according to his ability; to each according to his need”, and everyone can work for the mutual benefit of everyone else.  In my society, you have the freedom to do that.

In your society, I don’t have the same freedom.  If your collectivism offends me, I am not free to start my own free society within its borders.  In order for collectivism to work, everyone must be on board, even those who oppose it – why do you think there was a Berlin Wall?

In conclusion, just know that the harder you push to enact your agenda, the more hostile I will become – the harder I will fight you.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2015, 06:59:35 PM »

Well, I like the last part best ---

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It’s nothing personal, necessarily.  If you want to become a slave to an all-powerful central government, be my guest.  But if you are planning to take me and my family down with you, as we say down here in the South, I will stomp a mud-hole in your chest and walk it dry.

Bring it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2015, 10:58:26 PM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."


UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?

why would someone respond on a thread where they've been called an idiot, their spouse has been called an idiot and have been told they deserve to die?

Really clod? Who said those things? Drop a name if you dare.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2015, 11:30:01 PM »

Who said those things? Drop a name if you dare.

Well, I did.  Except I didn't say they simply deserved to die.  Clyde, unsurprisingly, mischaracterized that remark.  I said they deserved to suffer the same fate as the rest of us when it comes to reaping the results of voting for bad leadership.  We can't simply continue to vote for bad leaders and expect not to have to deal with dire consequences.  We have leadership right now that doesn't understand economics.  Even if they did, the kind of people we elect lack the political will to do much that would stave off the destabilization of our fiat currency.

The people we're electing know how to make empty promises about entitlements.  It's the modern equivalent of a chicken in every pot.  Nevermind that it was a Republican (Herbert Hoover) who first promised such a thing.  The Republicans are much like the Democrats in that regard.

So yes, at some point we're probably going to see hunger and starvation in this country just like we did during the last Depression.  Except this time it will probably be worse.  Those that stupidly vote for one entitlement after another with no thought to the consequences are bringing it on themselves.  We get the representation we deserve.  We also must endure the consequences.
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No, nix, nyet.  We get the representation they deserve, because a whole bunch of us had not, did not and would not vote for most of this garbage.  And at this point, it hasn't mattered who I voted for, despite promises made, because I'm wearing scars on my back from the stabbing.
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2015, 09:16:27 AM »

No, nix, nyet.  We get the representation they deserve, because a whole bunch of us had not, did not and would not vote for most of this garbage.  And at this point, it hasn't mattered who I voted for, despite promises made, because I'm wearing scars on my back from the stabbing.
I had a teacher in college, who at the time I thought was horrible but in retrospect was very insightful.  He used to tell a couple of tales, at least once a week.  One of those was the story of people in the Soviet Union would go to the store to buy soap.  The Soviets, you see, had a choice when it came to soap: red soap and green soap.  It didn't matter that they were really the same soap.  What mattered is that they had a choice. 

This is the problem I see with, for lack of a better term, I will call establishment politics, and while perhaps not exactly correct, I believe it is close enough to get my point across.  It also goes back to the "insidious alliance between big business and big government".  When all of the choices are from the same pool, while you may have a choice, the choice is really meaningless.  Why do you think we've been inundated with the media pushing the blatant propaganda calling the elections "You Decide 2016". 
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2015, 02:48:18 PM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."


UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?
Yes, and thank you all for keeping the title prominently in the top.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2015, 12:22:23 AM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."


UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?
Yes, and thank you all for keeping the title prominently in the top.

Then I guess you're really hoping that nobody reads anything more than the title.  But I guess it stands to reason since you're too stupid to realize you should be embarrassed. 
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2015, 12:38:02 AM »

My unpolitical spouse watched it and said afterwards, "She's got my vote."


UNC70,  Do you ever respond to the comments made to your posts?   If so, how about responding on this thread.  Is HRC  really someone you hold up as a shining example to be our Commander in Chief and the leader of this great country?     Really?
Yes, and thank you all for keeping the title prominently in the top.

Yes, and thank you for posting it.

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"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Are you and your "spouse" well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you?  Are you okay with the former President's current wife deciding that she's going to "not give it to you"?  Keeping in mind that for people like her the bar for well-enough-off continues to lower until almost everybody not scrounging for pocket change are in her target range?  Think ..... Venezuela.  Do you think her standards will exempt you?  They won't.  You, dear UNC70, are the alligators her type eat first.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2015, 12:40:52 PM »

Indict Clinton and have a trial with actual evidence, cross-examination and forensic computer experts. I certainly don't condone the use of a private server or the deletion of evidence. I believe I've clearly stated that here previously. However, she would probably end up with a pardon if convicted, because that's how Washington works, alas.

"secrecy, deception, and disdain for the law" is also a part of that same Washington world, for decades.







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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2015, 02:13:06 PM »

Indict Clinton and have a trial with actual evidence, cross-examination and forensic computer experts. I certainly don't condone the use of a private server or the deletion of evidence. I believe I've clearly stated that here previously. However, she would probably end up with a pardon if convicted, because that's how Washington works, alas.

"secrecy, deception, and disdain for the law" is also a part of that same Washington world, for decades.



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