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Author Topic: Yet another mass murder, made possible by leftist policies of gun-free zones!  (Read 3371 times)
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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2015, 07:46:12 PM »

So according to the District Attorney:

"If you have a concealed-carry permit, you're allowed to have a gun on campus," said Deschutes County District Attorney John Hummel. "If you don't have a concealed-carry permit, you're still allowed to have a gun on campus -- but only if it's unloaded and in your car."

While a school can make a no-gun policy part of its contract with staff, Hummel said school officials could not make such a policy for their students.

"To say students can't carry, that's a little much," Hummel said. "If a student came on campus with a gun, and he had a concealed-carry permit, and the school administrator called the police (to) have that person prosecuted for violating the law, we'd step in and say 'No -- he didn't violate the law."

http://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-gun-laws-allow-concealedcarry-on-campuses/35692156

Still, you are right, with any confusion on the school rules versus the law, a person might reasonably assume they "can't" carry a firearm on campus, even though the law and recent court rulings are on their side.
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2015, 08:00:36 PM »

Few young people are going to want to tackle the tangle of having to defend against an ignorant professor or administrator.  Even among the veterans that were meeting in another building only one was carrying (that we are aware of) and his attitude during the/an interview was one of defiance for doing so.
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2015, 11:22:50 PM »

Still, you are right, with any confusion on the school rules versus the law, a person might reasonably assume they "can't" carry a firearm on campus, even though the law and recent court rulings are on their side.

The thing is, the school could very well have taken action against the student (if he/she got caught) if they wanted to.  Even thought he college would be in violation of the law, and the student won the case eventually, it would be extremely disruptive for the student.  And then you've got the stigma of being "that guy" who tried to carry a gun on campus.  Based on how the college leadership handled the issue of concealed carry, it is reasonable to assume they would take action against a student caught carrying a firearm even with a concealed carry permit.  That puts the student in the position of having to choose between taking the risk of being unarmed or the risk of dealing with disciplinary action and subsequent litigation with the college.
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2015, 01:22:37 AM »

I appreciate your admission that I am right. I would also question how long this illegal policy was on the school site, and when did the DA come out against it?

My reading of this is that WHEN the school had you arrested for carrying concealed, I would have eventually dismissed the charges. Easily clamied after the fact. I know of a similar case in Raliegh right now. The actual law is clear. But, the arrest happened anyway. (Rookie cop who refused to read the law when it was presented to him.) Internal affairs refused to take action against the officer, stating that he acted in good faith, because he believed that what he was doing was lawful.  Two men were jailed, and had to post bail, hire attorneys and put on a defense, and the DA has still not dismissed the charges. The charges will appear on their records forever, even if they pay a lawyer to have them expunged.  (Expunged only removes them from public records, not from the government, nor from news sites.) There will almost assuredly be a civil suit after the charges are inevitably dismissed, but the damage is done and can never be undone. And it will likely be many years before it is fully litigated.  And it is ridiculous to think the average, or even the above average college student has the financial wherewithal to pick that fight, simply because they believe they are right and the school policy is wrong. There can be no doubt that in every way this was a gun free zone, because of liberal policies, despite case law to the contrary.


So according to the District Attorney:

"If you have a concealed-carry permit, you're allowed to have a gun on campus," said Deschutes County District Attorney John Hummel. "If you don't have a concealed-carry permit, you're still allowed to have a gun on campus -- but only if it's unloaded and in your car."

While a school can make a no-gun policy part of its contract with staff, Hummel said school officials could not make such a policy for their students.

"To say students can't carry, that's a little much," Hummel said. "If a student came on campus with a gun, and he had a concealed-carry permit, and the school administrator called the police (to) have that person prosecuted for violating the law, we'd step in and say 'No -- he didn't violate the law."

http://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-gun-laws-allow-concealedcarry-on-campuses/35692156

Still, you are right, with any confusion on the school rules versus the law, a person might reasonably assume they "can't" carry a firearm on campus, even though the law and recent court rulings are on their side.
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2015, 11:37:19 AM »

No, I was saying Pi was right about it being confusing to have school rules versus the actual statutes on the book and trial law.

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