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Title: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: rezident on March 21, 2017, 08:11:13 AM
If you're interested, there is a survey over on PlanChatham.com (http://PlanChatham.com) to provide feedback on the plan.  I was told that supposedly there will be some public input sessions in April.  In looking at the survey, the questions are biased towards the Board of Commissioners' goals of limiting and significantly restricting growth.  To me, many of the items, such as Conservation Subdivisions, are an overreaction to Chatham Park.  Looking at the Parks part of the plan, Western Chatham gets left behind again.  Feel free to comment and show up to the public input sessions, but if the past is any indicator, it's unlikely the Board of Commissioners will listen to anyone outside of their own echo chamber.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on March 21, 2017, 10:50:17 AM
Very few people turned out for the previous public input sessions. They are going to do what they want and no matter what you say will change their minds. Our County has a horrible political administration that could care less about its citizens and even less about the rural areas.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on March 21, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
Our County has a horrible political administration that could not care less about its citizens and even less about the rural areas.

One word added and I agree.    ;)


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 21, 2017, 02:41:37 PM
Very few people turned out for the previous public input sessions. They are going to do what they want and no matter what you say will change their minds. Our County has a horrible political administration that could care less about its citizens and even less about the rural areas.

Hundreds of residents turned out against Briar Chapel input session after input session after input session~AGAINST it. Didn't matter. Money talked to  Bunkey et. al. Not only with BC but I believe I remember to tune of 19,000 homes in area @ the time.  (Makes Chatham Park looks like small taters, I know) ;) Back to money 'talks'. IF indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on March 22, 2017, 07:25:58 AM
Very few people turned out for the previous public input sessions. They are going to do what they want and no matter what you say will change their minds. Our County has a horrible political administration that could care less about its citizens and even less about the rural areas.

Hundreds of residents turned out against Briar Chapel input session after input session after input session~AGAINST it. Didn't matter. Money talked to  Bunkey et. al. Not only with BC but I believe I remember to tune of 19,000 homes in area @ the time.  (Makes Chatham Park looks like small taters, I know) ;) Back to money 'talks'. IF indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

Bring it on, here in the West people need jobs.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: rezident on March 22, 2017, 07:47:31 AM
Bring it on, here in the West people need jobs.

You're darn skippy...We need to have that Advanced Manufacturing Site occupied soon and hopefully with an auto manufacturer.  Too many people have to travel out of the county for jobs.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on March 22, 2017, 08:12:35 AM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: mary51802 on March 22, 2017, 10:08:39 AM
Agreed Pi. The megasite will not be huge parking lot. The PBO area cares less about the west. I met a lady from Pittsboro last week in Bennett who said she did not realize villages were out here.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: witler on March 22, 2017, 02:43:15 PM
Back in time before 401k plans and paid retirement, people invested in land for the future. Now days there is always some group that tells you that you can't reap the benefits of your investment. With progress both benefit, the land owner and the person that gets the job generated.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 22, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.

I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.
I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on March 22, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.

No, you doofus.  That is NOT what you were saying.  You were saying the county would get paved over.  You didn't say a damn thing about "tradeoffs".  

Take a moment to be a little more clear instead of being a jerk and maybe you'll come across a bit better.

I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO

Cheap quality houses?  Let's see a picture of your house.

The "work" part of that is getting stymied by the anti-business idiots who have been in charge of the BOC the entire time.  With the exception of when Bock, Petty, and Stewart were there.  Are you unable to connect those dots?  I guess so.

Your idiotic, uninformed opinion is worthless.  Why don't you just move to the Canadian wilderness from that crazy lady who supported the sidewalk to nowhere?

You're not "pulling for the West to have jobs".  You're a bald faced lair for saying you do.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on March 23, 2017, 07:33:51 AM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.



I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.
I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO


Growth is going to happen but clogging up HWY 64 at the Lake is not it. Yes, 64 in Chatham is sometimes laden with heavier traffic than it is in Cary! We need jobs in Western Chatham, people are out of work or stuck with low wages unless you go out of county. Where do the young people work in this county after they get on their own? News flash, they move away! No jobs!

Chatham has also become unaffordable for many elderly, their taxes have gone up and if they need part time employment none is available.

Keep griping about BC but in reality the huge residential growth in the East is one of the only things keeping this County afloat. Look at the County permit report, virtually no one is building houses West of Pittsboro.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: 1911A on March 23, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
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... virtually no one is building houses West of Pittsboro.

Gee, didn't the BoC believe zoning the whole thing would help remedy that?


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 23, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.



I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.
I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO


Growth is going to happen but clogging up HWY 64 at the Lake is not it. Yes, 64 in Chatham is sometimes laden with heavier traffic than it is in Cary! We need jobs in Western Chatham, people are out of work or stuck with low wages unless you go out of county. Where do the young people work in this county after they get on their own? News flash, they move away! No jobs!

Chatham has also become unaffordable for many elderly, their taxes have gone up and if they need part time employment none is available.

Keep griping about BC but in reality the huge residential growth in the East is one of the only things keeping this County afloat. Look at the County permit report, virtually no one is building houses West of Pittsboro.

Keep griping about lack of jobs in western Chatham and driving a hundred miles a day to a job instead of becoming proactive to change that. You've dissed any attempts to improve or advance that side of the county, so not much sympathy here for you. I truly hope things will improve there for many reasons. When and then U may understand some other tradeoffs that come with that ;) Who knows, the GREAT screwed up NORTH you escaped from may again appeal to you ;)


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on March 23, 2017, 08:24:04 PM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.



I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.
I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO


Growth is going to happen but clogging up HWY 64 at the Lake is not it. Yes, 64 in Chatham is sometimes laden with heavier traffic than it is in Cary! We need jobs in Western Chatham, people are out of work or stuck with low wages unless you go out of county. Where do the young people work in this county after they get on their own? News flash, they move away! No jobs!

Chatham has also become unaffordable for many elderly, their taxes have gone up and if they need part time employment none is available.

Keep griping about BC but in reality the huge residential growth in the East is one of the only things keeping this County afloat. Look at the County permit report, virtually no one is building houses West of Pittsboro.

Keep griping about lack of jobs in western Chatham and driving a hundred miles a day to a job instead of becoming proactive to change that. You've dissed any attempts to improve or advance that side of the county, so not much sympathy here for you. I truly hope things will improve there for many reasons. When and then U may understand some other tradeoffs that come with that ;) Who knows, the GREAT screwed up NORTH you escaped from may again appeal to you ;)

  You really are an ignorant bigot.  Remember me the carpetbagger.  I know we northerners aren't human as you are you inclusive idiot.  I would rather hang with a good person from anywhere than have to smell your kind of bull....


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on March 24, 2017, 07:24:33 AM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.



I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.
I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO


Growth is going to happen but clogging up HWY 64 at the Lake is not it. Yes, 64 in Chatham is sometimes laden with heavier traffic than it is in Cary! We need jobs in Western Chatham, people are out of work or stuck with low wages unless you go out of county. Where do the young people work in this county after they get on their own? News flash, they move away! No jobs!

Chatham has also become unaffordable for many elderly, their taxes have gone up and if they need part time employment none is available.

Keep griping about BC but in reality the huge residential growth in the East is one of the only things keeping this County afloat. Look at the County permit report, virtually no one is building houses West of Pittsboro.

Keep griping about lack of jobs in western Chatham and driving a hundred miles a day to a job instead of becoming proactive to change that. You've dissed any attempts to improve or advance that side of the county, so not much sympathy here for you. I truly hope things will improve there for many reasons. When and then U may understand some other tradeoffs that come with that ;) Who knows, the GREAT screwed up NORTH you escaped from may again appeal to you ;)

Rabit, you left the Western County years ago and have repeatedly said you enjoy the East so to be blunt YOU DON'T LIVE HERE! Now go back to your Rabit Hole and meds.



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 24, 2017, 05:34:00 PM
F indeed an auto manufacturer or other hit Siler site, your 'paradise' too would be flattened by bulldozers and paved over. Look for it in your future if you live long enough. Greed rules ;)

They don't flatten and pave over the whole damn county when they build an auto plant.  The problem is that aging hipsters work in the East and don't give a damn about some man or woman in the West who is trying to feed his family.

As far as Eastern elitists like are concerned, the West can starve so long as they get to take their Sunday drive and look at the countryside.



I was born in the west, have lived in the county many decades and fully understand the cycles of ALL corners of the county and have supported all corners of the county in way of businesses. Can YOU say that of yourself? I'm pulling for the West to gain good jobs, but understand there are tradeoffs that come with it just saying and that they may just mean unwillingly impact to someone's 'paradise' there. All I'm saying.
I live in what was once a peaceful semi and rural area...not anymore due to BC's California dream of paving paradise. They have the NERVE to offer a giddy little earth day celebration, when ALL they have done is throw up cheap quality houses with a myriad of issues to leave buyers with holding the bag for and throwing up pseudo businesses that they promoted the residents would walk 3 miles to under the premise of live, work, play BS.  :upside:
Careful what you ask for Silk. Folks in my area didn't ask for BC, but they got it due some commissioners that didn't have to live with it one iota, nor care~ I suspect with a kickback vote tho'. JMO


Growth is going to happen but clogging up HWY 64 at the Lake is not it. Yes, 64 in Chatham is sometimes laden with heavier traffic than it is in Cary! We need jobs in Western Chatham, people are out of work or stuck with low wages unless you go out of county. Where do the young people work in this county after they get on their own? News flash, they move away! No jobs!

Chatham has also become unaffordable for many elderly, their taxes have gone up and if they need part time employment none is available.

Keep griping about BC but in reality the huge residential growth in the East is one of the only things keeping this County afloat. Look at the County permit report, virtually no one is building houses West of Pittsboro.

Keep griping about lack of jobs in western Chatham and driving a hundred miles a day to a job instead of becoming proactive to change that. You've dissed any attempts to improve or advance that side of the county, so not much sympathy here for you. I truly hope things will improve there for many reasons. When and then U may understand some other tradeoffs that come with that ;) Who knows, the GREAT screwed up NORTH you escaped from may again appeal to you ;)

Rabit, you left the Western County years ago and have repeatedly said you enjoy the East so to be blunt YOU DON'T LIVE HERE! Now go back to your Rabit Hole and meds.



I have family, friends that live there and property ownership there. Still go there, shop there. As far as I can tell you luckily MARRIED into Chatham county. Shown very little support to any new local biz endeavors. Bragged about going OUT of county to do your shopping in surrounding counties because Chatham didn't suit you. Work outside of county~in general it seems you just THUMB your nose to the county outside of a mattress. Why don't you go back to Yankee Land that seems to invade and then tell us all what's best, better for all of us TRUE locals? Phtt!



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on March 25, 2017, 08:46:52 AM

I have family, friends that live there and property ownership there. Still go there, shop there. As far as I can tell you luckily MARRIED into Chatham county. Shown very little support to any new local biz endeavors. Bragged about going OUT of county to do your shopping in surrounding counties because Chatham didn't suit you.


For the record, you vote for people that are anti-business.  You've made that abundantly clear.  You don't support an auto manufacturer either, which means you really don't support local jobs outside of the few mom and pop ventures that fit a very narrow view of what you find "acceptable".

Thus, you making this charge is about as hypocritical as it gets.  


Work outside of county~in general it seems you just THUMB your nose to the county outside of a mattress. Why don't you go back to Yankee Land that seems to invade and then tell us all what's best, better for all of us TRUE locals? Phtt!


The Yankee Land liberals are the ones trying to determine what's "best for us locals", you tendentious turd.  You're in lock step with whatever crazy plans they dream up.  I bet you gleefully voted for the same snobby gits that tried to circumvent the will of the people and institute the Land Transfer Tax.  The same slimy, imbecilic sphincters that wanted the Major Corridor Ordinance.

It's the transplants who want to come to Chatham and shut the door behind them.  Then tell the locals what they can and can't do with land that's been in their family for generations.  It's the left that wants every land owner with less than 10 acres to have to come, hat in hand, and beg the BOC for permission to build a small barn.  Why?  Because the laws they put in place are meant to give them the maximum amount of control.  Every ditch is a "seasonal stream" or some such nonsense.  And therefore they can restrict people's rights based on fuzzy headed notions of "environmentalism".

NO.  Just NO.  You don't know what you're talking about, and every time you manage to hunt and peck out your next message, it serves to once again prove that some people are nothing more than useful idiots for interests that don't give a DAMN about anything but themselves.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 25, 2017, 02:37:34 PM

I have family, friends that live there and property ownership there. Still go there, shop there. As far as I can tell you luckily MARRIED into Chatham county. Shown very little support to any new local biz endeavors. Bragged about going OUT of county to do your shopping in surrounding counties because Chatham didn't suit you.


For the record, you vote for people that are anti-business.  You've made that abundantly clear.  You don't support an auto manufacturer either, which means you really don't support local jobs outside of the few mom and pop ventures that fit a very narrow view of what you find "acceptable".

Thus, you making this charge is about as hypocritical as it gets.  


Work outside of county~in general it seems you just THUMB your nose to the county outside of a mattress. Why don't you go back to Yankee Land that seems to invade and then tell us all what's best, better for all of us TRUE locals? Phtt!


The Yankee Land liberals are the ones trying to determine what's "best for us locals", you tendentious turd.  You're in lock step with whatever crazy plans they dream up.  I bet you gleefully voted for the same snobby gits that tried to circumvent the will of the people and institute the Land Transfer Tax.  The same slimy, imbecilic sphincters that wanted the Major Corridor Ordinance.

It's the transplants who want to come to Chatham and shut the door behind them.  Then tell the locals what they can and can't do with land that's been in their family for generations.  It's the left that wants every land owner with less than 10 acres to have to come, hat in hand, and beg the BOC for permission to build a small barn.  Why?  Because the laws they put in place are meant to give them the maximum amount of control.  Every ditch is a "seasonal stream" or some such nonsense.  And therefore they can restrict people's rights based on fuzzy headed notions of "environmentalism".

NO.  Just NO.  You don't know what you're talking about, and every time you manage to hunt and peck out your next message, it serves to once again prove that some people are nothing more than useful idiots for interests that don't give a DAMN about anything but themselves.

 ::) to you.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: mary51802 on March 25, 2017, 03:04:56 PM
Guess Rabbitt does not realize the eat has been drowned by  liberals from New York. She loves them but calls all who disagree with her Yankees. If Chatham County offered anything but mom and pop shops who are pricey with little variety we would shop here. Lot of us drop a solid dollar in the 2 Walmarts. Plus she does not get that if more people worked here we would spend money here. Easier to shop where you work on lunch hours.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: srvfan on March 26, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
what I don't understand is 10 or 15 years ago all we heard was that Chatham needed industrial development, IIRC one of the lines was how Durham Co. "laughs all the way to the bank" thanks to Chatham residents coming there to work in their industries.  Ironically that's one of the funniest lines ever on the board since Durham has one of the highest prop tax rates in the state showing that's it's not what you make it's what you spend, but that's another topic.

Anyway, back to my point - previously Chatham needed industy to avoid becoming a bedroom community.  Now that Chatham has that opportunity guess what, it's not what we need.  Turns out the party of the left(east) is actually the party of NO



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 27, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
Guess Rabbitt does not realize the eat has been drowned by  liberals from New York. She loves them but calls all who disagree with her Yankees. If Chatham County offered anything but mom and pop shops who are pricey with little variety we would shop here. Lot of us drop a solid dollar in the 2 Walmarts. Plus she does not get that if more people worked here we would spend money here. Easier to shop where you work on lunch hours.

And you've done what toward promo of job growth in the west? You've shunned businesses there. I have always stated that the industrial site would be transformational for the area and supported whole heartedly for GOOD paying jobs. People would be able to sell homes they no longer need and can barely 'give' away etc.
Well, the town put all their 'eggs' in chickens, selling water to them and sat back and let anything else crumble around them. When that 'plan' went south, it only became worse there. At least many jobs in that sector are returning, albeit many low paying.

Charles Johnson seemed to work hard to pursue more industry anyway, tho' during a very difficult recession period.

Takes bit of effort, but I always managed to do most of my shopping back in Chatham. I was just committed to that, our tax base, our businesses.
Mom and pops add character and sure offer better service on average.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on March 27, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
Guess Rabbitt does not realize the eat has been drowned by  liberals from New York. She loves them but calls all who disagree with her Yankees. If Chatham County offered anything but mom and pop shops who are pricey with little variety we would shop here. Lot of us drop a solid dollar in the 2 Walmarts. Plus she does not get that if more people worked here we would spend money here. Easier to shop where you work on lunch hours.

And you've done what toward promo of job growth in the west? You've shunned businesses there. I have always stated that the industrial site would be transformational for the area and supported whole heartedly for GOOD paying jobs. People would be able to sell homes they no longer need and can barely 'give' away etc.
Well, the town put all their 'eggs' in chickens, selling water to them and sat back and let anything else crumble around them. When that 'plan' went south, it only became worse there. At least many jobs in that sector are returning, albeit many low paying.

Charles Johnson seemed to work hard to pursue more industry anyway, tho' during a very difficult recession period.

Takes bit of effort, but I always managed to do most of my shopping back in Chatham. I was just committed to that, our tax base, our businesses.
Mom and pops add character and sure offer better service on average.

Could you maybe stop with your BS virtue signaling long enough to realize a couple things you're missing?  The economy of the West can't exist on Mom and Pop shops alone.  That's not how it works.  There's not enough of a service industry to employ people.  That's because we're not a tourist destination. 
On the one hand you say you're already supported the industrial site and then on the other hand you make comments about paving the world.  Which is it?

I shop locally too as much as I can.  But while that helps local small business it doesn't do a whole lot to improve the lot of locals who are looking for a job. 


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on March 27, 2017, 07:54:25 PM

I have family, friends that live there and property ownership there. Still go there, shop there. As far as I can tell you luckily MARRIED into Chatham county. Shown very little support to any new local biz endeavors. Bragged about going OUT of county to do your shopping in surrounding counties because Chatham didn't suit you.


For the record, you vote for people that are anti-business.  You've made that abundantly clear.  You don't support an auto manufacturer either, which means you really don't support local jobs outside of the few mom and pop ventures that fit a very narrow view of what you find "acceptable".

Thus, you making this charge is about as hypocritical as it gets.  


Work outside of county~in general it seems you just THUMB your nose to the county outside of a mattress. Why don't you go back to Yankee Land that seems to invade and then tell us all what's best, better for all of us TRUE locals? Phtt!


The Yankee Land liberals are the ones trying to determine what's "best for us locals", you tendentious turd.  You're in lock step with whatever crazy plans they dream up.  I bet you gleefully voted for the same snobby gits that tried to circumvent the will of the people and institute the Land Transfer Tax.  The same slimy, imbecilic sphincters that wanted the Major Corridor Ordinance.

It's the transplants who want to come to Chatham and shut the door behind them.  Then tell the locals what they can and can't do with land that's been in their family for generations.  It's the left that wants every land owner with less than 10 acres to have to come, hat in hand, and beg the BOC for permission to build a small barn.  Why?  Because the laws they put in place are meant to give them the maximum amount of control.  Every ditch is a "seasonal stream" or some such nonsense.  And therefore they can restrict people's rights based on fuzzy headed notions of "environmentalism".

NO.  Just NO.  You don't know what you're talking about, and every time you manage to hunt and peck out your next message, it serves to once again prove that some people are nothing more than useful idiots for interests that don't give a DAMN about anything but themselves.

  Those are the right type of Yankees they vote with her I'm a carpetbagger.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: 1911A on March 27, 2017, 10:30:42 PM

I have family, friends that live there and property ownership there. Still go there, shop there. As far as I can tell you luckily MARRIED into Chatham county. Shown very little support to any new local biz endeavors. Bragged about going OUT of county to do your shopping in surrounding counties because Chatham didn't suit you.


For the record, you vote for people that are anti-business.  You've made that abundantly clear.  You don't support an auto manufacturer either, which means you really don't support local jobs outside of the few mom and pop ventures that fit a very narrow view of what you find "acceptable".

Thus, you making this charge is about as hypocritical as it gets.  


Work outside of county~in general it seems you just THUMB your nose to the county outside of a mattress. Why don't you go back to Yankee Land that seems to invade and then tell us all what's best, better for all of us TRUE locals? Phtt!


The Yankee Land liberals are the ones trying to determine what's "best for us locals", you tendentious turd.  You're in lock step with whatever crazy plans they dream up.  I bet you gleefully voted for the same snobby gits that tried to circumvent the will of the people and institute the Land Transfer Tax.  The same slimy, imbecilic sphincters that wanted the Major Corridor Ordinance.

It's the transplants who want to come to Chatham and shut the door behind them.  Then tell the locals what they can and can't do with land that's been in their family for generations.  It's the left that wants every land owner with less than 10 acres to have to come, hat in hand, and beg the BOC for permission to build a small barn.  Why?  Because the laws they put in place are meant to give them the maximum amount of control.  Every ditch is a "seasonal stream" or some such nonsense.  And therefore they can restrict people's rights based on fuzzy headed notions of "environmentalism".

NO.  Just NO.  You don't know what you're talking about, and every time you manage to hunt and peck out your next message, it serves to once again prove that some people are nothing more than useful idiots for interests that don't give a DAMN about anything but themselves.

  Those are the right type of Yankees they vote with her I'm a carpetbagger.

You're nothing of the kind.  You're a smart, hard-working, sincere American patriot and I wish there only were more like you.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 28, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
Guess Rabbitt does not realize the eat has been drowned by  liberals from New York. She loves them but calls all who disagree with her Yankees. If Chatham County offered anything but mom and pop shops who are pricey with little variety we would shop here. Lot of us drop a solid dollar in the 2 Walmarts. Plus she does not get that if more people worked here we would spend money here. Easier to shop where you work on lunch hours.

And you've done what toward promo of job growth in the west? You've shunned businesses there. I have always stated that the industrial site would be transformational for the area and supported whole heartedly for GOOD paying jobs. People would be able to sell homes they no longer need and can barely 'give' away etc.
Well, the town put all their 'eggs' in chickens, selling water to them and sat back and let anything else crumble around them. When that 'plan' went south, it only became worse there. At least many jobs in that sector are returning, albeit many low paying.

Charles Johnson seemed to work hard to pursue more industry anyway, tho' during a very difficult recession period.

Takes bit of effort, but I always managed to do most of my shopping back in Chatham. I was just committed to that, our tax base, our businesses.
Mom and pops add character and sure offer better service on average.

Could you maybe stop with your BS virtue signaling long enough to realize a couple things you're missing?  The economy of the West can't exist on Mom and Pop shops alone.  That's not how it works.  There's not enough of a service industry to employ people.  That's because we're not a tourist destination. 
On the one hand you say you're already supported the industrial site and then on the other hand you make comments about paving the world.  Which is it?

I shop locally too as much as I can.  But while that helps local small business it doesn't do a whole lot to improve the lot of locals who are looking for a job. 


What are U missing? The West had a Lowe's Food that offered more options, People didn't shop there. Shopping strips had Belk's a great Chinese restaurant (that I personally loved) other. U didn't support it. I DID most every time I went there! Story after story there of NON support by those that actually lived there. Phitt! Get what you ask for or DON'T.

I know for the West side of the county to become healthy again it means some new industry. I've always been open for that. I'll say I believe the town was lazy a long while on pursuing that just because they could survive off of selling water to the poultry biz to keep afloat eggs in one basket strategy that obviously did not pan out well. Round 2 coming up with that revitalization!

I stand by ALL my local chatham biz visits that they offer best in customer service.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on March 28, 2017, 08:15:35 PM

I have family, friends that live there and property ownership there. Still go there, shop there. As far as I can tell you luckily MARRIED into Chatham county. Shown very little support to any new local biz endeavors. Bragged about going OUT of county to do your shopping in surrounding counties because Chatham didn't suit you.


For the record, you vote for people that are anti-business.  You've made that abundantly clear.  You don't support an auto manufacturer either, which means you really don't support local jobs outside of the few mom and pop ventures that fit a very narrow view of what you find "acceptable".

Thus, you making this charge is about as hypocritical as it gets.  


Work outside of county~in general it seems you just THUMB your nose to the county outside of a mattress. Why don't you go back to Yankee Land that seems to invade and then tell us all what's best, better for all of us TRUE locals? Phtt!


The Yankee Land liberals are the ones trying to determine what's "best for us locals", you tendentious turd.  You're in lock step with whatever crazy plans they dream up.  I bet you gleefully voted for the same snobby gits that tried to circumvent the will of the people and institute the Land Transfer Tax.  The same slimy, imbecilic sphincters that wanted the Major Corridor Ordinance.

It's the transplants who want to come to Chatham and shut the door behind them.  Then tell the locals what they can and can't do with land that's been in their family for generations.  It's the left that wants every land owner with less than 10 acres to have to come, hat in hand, and beg the BOC for permission to build a small barn.  Why?  Because the laws they put in place are meant to give them the maximum amount of control.  Every ditch is a "seasonal stream" or some such nonsense.  And therefore they can restrict people's rights based on fuzzy headed notions of "environmentalism".

NO.  Just NO.  You don't know what you're talking about, and every time you manage to hunt and peck out your next message, it serves to once again prove that some people are nothing more than useful idiots for interests that don't give a DAMN about anything but themselves.

  Those are the right type of Yankees they vote with her I'm a carpetbagger.

You're nothing of the kind.  You're a smart, hard-working, sincere American patriot and I wish there only were more like you.


  You're way too kind and I thank you.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on March 28, 2017, 10:42:51 PM
What are U missing? The West had a Lowe's Food that offered more options, People didn't shop there. Shopping strips had Belk's a great Chinese restaurant (that I personally loved) other. U didn't support it. I DID most every time I went there! Story after story there of NON support by those that actually lived there. Phitt! Get what you ask for or DON'T.

Excuse me, but as usual you're dead wrong.  I did support those businesses.  But I also recognize that in order for businesses that are service industries, the people need to have money to shop there.  You need one (industry) for the other (service) to survive.  Why is this so difficult for you to understand?  A first grader could grasp the concept.

I know for the West side of the county to become healthy again it means some new industry. I've always been open for that.

It's hard to tell what you're for when you say pithy like things like an auto manufacturer would "pave over" the county.  You're not part of the solution, Rabid.  As usual, you're part of the problem because you type before you think about what you're saying.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on March 29, 2017, 07:42:08 AM
Shopping strip had Belk's a great Chinese restaurant................

I miss them both.  The sit down aspect of the restaurant and the (imho) higher quality of food was refreshing.  The customer service and small town feel of that Belk was a throwback that was appreciated.   


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 29, 2017, 06:25:56 PM
Shopping strip had Belk's a great Chinese restaurant................

I miss them both.  The sit down aspect of the restaurant and the (imho) higher quality of food was refreshing.  The customer service and small town feel of that Belk was a throwback that was appreciated.   

I was in Siler yesterday and spent $ @ 3 different businesses (even being from the evil east some want to portray, lol) ::) Working hard still to keep my $/tax base in Chatham. It's a mindset with me.

That was some great Chinese food and great service for sure! Miss them for real! The Belk's there sure solved some B-day, Christmas shopping solutions for me in the men category! Sad that more people didn't support both to keep them there vs. now empty spaces.
I've supported many a new great restaurant venture there that just willowed away on the vine from lack of local support. I liked PC's for a quick grab lunch.

Oh well. Hope they figure out re-inventing themselves. It was really a nice town to grow up in. Active downtown/community.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on March 30, 2017, 07:44:31 AM

I was in Siler yesterday and spent $ @ 3 different businesses (even being from the evil east some want to portray, lol) ::)

I sometimes go out of my way to spend money in Siler City.  The mere fact that here on the PBO side of the county we are charged much more for so many things just pisses me off.    Gasoline and Propane are two major commodities that are consistently much cheaper in Siler City than the "East".   Bojangles in Siler seems to always have some kind of special, not at the PBO Boj. - probably a franchisee decision? 

Heck, even giant retail big box stores screw us over.   We have two Wal Mart stores in Chatham County.  They charge different prices ( by different, I mean HIGHER ) for the exact same items on 15/501 vs. the Siler City store.   I guess "cause they can" - right?   Just free market capitalism I guess.  Cannot fault them.  If people choose to pay more why shouldn't they charge more for it?  I choose to lodge a complaint with management and then choose not to spend my money there.  But, alas, I fee I am in the minority.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: mary51802 on March 31, 2017, 06:50:07 AM
Yeah if I am in Chatham Siler City is better. People claim the gas is higher because it is the county seat. Not correct. Hillsborough is cheaper than Chapel Hill in Orange. And Asheboro is way cheaper than other cities in Randolph.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on March 31, 2017, 02:00:37 PM

I was in Siler yesterday and spent $ @ 3 different businesses (even being from the evil east some want to portray, lol) ::)

I sometimes go out of my way to spend money in Siler City.  The mere fact that here on the PBO side of the county we are charged much more for so many things just pisses me off.    Gasoline and Propane are two major commodities that are consistently much cheaper in Siler City than the "East".   Bojangles in Siler seems to always have some kind of special, not at the PBO Boj. - probably a franchisee decision? 

Heck, even giant retail big box stores screw us over.   We have two Wal Mart stores in Chatham County.  They charge different prices ( by different, I mean HIGHER ) for the exact same items on 15/501 vs. the Siler City store.   I guess "cause they can" - right?   Just free market capitalism I guess.  Cannot fault them.  If people choose to pay more why shouldn't they charge more for it?  I choose to lodge a complaint with management and then choose not to spend my money there.  But, alas, I fee I am in the minority.

I don't always base my shopping on best price. Friendly, quality service plays into a large part of where I shop!


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on April 02, 2017, 06:09:46 AM
When you buy a new car in Chatham it has to be a Ford if you want to support the economy, Pittsboro and Welford Harris are only Ford dealers.



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 02, 2017, 06:26:28 PM
When you buy a new car in Chatham it has to be a Ford if you want to support the economy, Pittsboro and Welford Harris are only Ford dealers.



I was never able to score an honest/no spin car deal in Chatham in later years. Maybe why most collapsed?...other than the total economy collapse brought to all of us by??? I think you know! ;)



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 02, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

I was never able to score an honest/no spin car deal in Chatham in later years. Maybe why most collapsed?...other than the total economy collapse brought to all of us by??? I think you know! ;)


We didn't have a total economic collapse because the US taxpayer bailed us out.  Just like the US taxpayer bails everyone else out.  Including other countries ever since the end of WWII.

The economy is a system built on a house of cards.  It is built upon notions of value as opposed to intrinsic value.  It happened because we allowed government to get so powerful that business interests could successfully lobby for rules or exceptions to rules that favored those business interests.

Every time the American people get angry and demand something get done about it, the elected officials make lots of noise about setting things right.  And then they turn around and conduct business as usual.  Sure, they change the names around a bit.  But in the end, toxic assets just get shuffled around under the exact same arrangements. 

Except that the US taxpayer wasn't able to completely bail us out of anything.  Nor will the taxpayers be able to bail us out of anything in the future.  Those same taxpayers, who keep getting fleeced, continue to vote in the same old bunch of self interested stooges.

Rubes like Rabit here think they're voting for "hope and change" when they filled in the oval for Obama and other democrats.  Twice.  Yet the Obama Admin was never beholden to little old ladies in Northeast Chatham.  It was beholden to Wall Street. 

Understand this truth, Rabit, even though it isn't what you want to hear: The things that people do to solve the problems simply enable the problems to persist.  It's hard to put out a fire with gasoline, but that's exactly what happens when the American people give the government more power.  It happens every time they vote based on a perception of injustice and cry "there oughta be a law!".  Well, there will be more laws.  But the letter and the spirit of said laws won't have the people's best interests in mind.

In this day and age, that's about all you can take to the bank.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on April 03, 2017, 08:07:26 AM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 03, 2017, 10:42:28 AM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.


Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on April 03, 2017, 10:47:39 AM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.


Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 03, 2017, 01:31:07 PM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.


Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I thought you brought up buying new cars in Chatham and then said that Silk?  I'm a little lost, sorry.   

 
When you buy a new car in Chatham it has to be a Ford if you want to support the economy, Pittsboro and Welford Harris are only Ford dealers.


 


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: rezident on April 03, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
Belk didn't close because it wasn't supported.  They were making a profit, but their corporate dynamics changed.  They closed a bunch of stores in small towns and concentrate in larger markets or markets that have close to 50,000 people in a 20 mile radius.  Look at Greensboro, Belk closed the store at Four Seasons and consolidated their efforts at Friendly.

I remember that CBRE, the group that used to manage Siler Crossing, made a presentation to the Town board to explain their recruiting efforts to fill retail space and why chain retailers like Belk, Marshall's, etc. were not going to come to Siler City, at lest right now.  It was all about population concentration, and Siler City simply doesn't have enough people to support major retailers.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on April 03, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.


Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I thought you brought up buying new cars in Chatham and then said that Silk?  I'm a little lost, sorry.   

 
When you buy a new car in Chatham it has to be a Ford if you want to support the economy, Pittsboro and Welford Harris are only Ford dealers.


 

Rabit argues that you need to buy local to support the economy of Chatham. That being said if you buy a new car you need to buy a Ford from Pittsboro Ford or Welford Harris. If anyone in Chatham wishes to support the economy and buy a new car they will have to buy a Ford otherwise they are hypocrites.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 03, 2017, 04:06:44 PM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.



Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I tried to buy Dakota in Chatham. $750 difference made me do so in Sanford instead for exact same vehicle. More diff than I could sneeze @ and had a nicer salesperson just saying.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: 1911A on April 03, 2017, 09:28:35 PM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.



Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I tried to buy Dakota in Chatham. $750 difference made me do so in Sanford instead for exact same vehicle. More diff than I could sneeze @ and had a nicer salesperson just saying.


So, having established what you are, all that's left is to then determine the price.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on April 04, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.



Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I tried to buy Dakota in Chatham. $750 difference made me do so in Sanford instead for exact same vehicle. More diff than I could sneeze @ and had a nicer salesperson just saying.


So, having established what you are, all that's left is to then determine the price.

    That was well played I love it.

 


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 05, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.




Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I helped the US economy by desire to buy "America' then~2000. Would have bought it in Chatham if willing to match. Wouldn't. Great vehicle for 14 yrs. and still was. Sold it, due to other needs~mainly pertaining to family needs~NOT that I OWE you that explanation.  
Sadly, had to say after experience received better in Sanford, just saying. Customer service means a LOT to me.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 06, 2017, 07:45:12 AM
Pittsboro and Chatham Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick went out of business due to GM shutting down dealers during their bankruptcy. Welford lost its Chrysler dealer because they did not want to upgrade facilities.

Funny, the small Ford dealers are still there and Ford refused to take government money.

Rabit, you need to keep up on why things are the way they are and quit listening to the Coalition propaganda.



Have no idea who was part of the Coalition then or now. GM was their own worst enemy with inferior products. Bought my first and last of their products back in late '70's worst pile of scrap metal ever owned.

So by your reasoning unless you buy a Ford from Pittsboro or Siler City you are not helping the local economy.

I tried to buy Dakota in Chatham. $750 difference made me do so in Sanford instead for exact same vehicle. More diff than I could sneeze @ and had a nicer salesperson just saying.


So, having established what you are, all that's left is to then determine the price.

JF said that was well played.  I disagree.

My take about buying local and supporting local business is NOT defined by; I must spend every discretionary dollar in  my pocket at a Chatham County business.   If that is the definition, then I would bet that is an extremely rare consumer indeed.

 I do not agree 100% with everything everyone says on this BBS.   Left, Right , Black, White, Sexual Orientation, or otherwise.  However, in this particular case, Rabit seems to have a point.    If Rabit is a prostitute, as your comment directly implies, because the choice was to keep $750, then so am I, along with millions of other consumers.  



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: 1911A on April 06, 2017, 09:44:40 AM
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My take about buying local and supporting local business is NOT defined by; I must spend every discretionary dollar in  my pocket at a Chatham County business.

That's you, and as you write, many of us.  However, Rabit, per her many previous posts, presented her opinion that she advocates, and does, just that.  Until her vehicle purchase.  She's repeatedly bashed Mary, iirc, for shopping elsewhere.

Look, anybody in the business of judging people for where they shop and setting parameters on the amount of money acceptable -- or not -- to save by purchasing out-of-county had better watch her hypocrisy.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
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My take about buying local and supporting local business is NOT defined by; I must spend every discretionary dollar in  my pocket at a Chatham County business.

That's you, and as you write, many of us.  However, Rabit, per her many previous posts, presented her opinion that she advocates, and does, just that.  Until her vehicle purchase.  She's repeatedly bashed Mary, iirc, for shopping elsewhere.

Look, anybody in the business of judging people for where they shop and setting parameters on the amount of money acceptable -- or not -- to save by purchasing out-of-county had better watch her hypocrisy.


I fairly gave option to match. Wouldn't. Came closer, but then someone there said something TOTALLY unacceptable to me as a woman. I was outta' there more due to that. 17 yrs. ago and still NOT forgotten it~never will! Was treated respectively where I went and they got the deal!

As for large purchases such as a vehicle I didn't leave NC, which perhaps could have found an even better deal.

I'd go head to head with most anyone with % I shop in Chatham!


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 06, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
someone there said something TOTALLY unacceptable to me as a woman. I was outta' there more due to that. 17 yrs. ago and still NOT forgotten it

Someone slighted you, or you for whatever reason felt slighted, 17 years ago and you're still upset about it? 

What did they say?


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 07, 2017, 07:42:29 AM
someone there said something TOTALLY unacceptable to me as a woman. I was outta' there more due to that. 17 yrs. ago and still NOT forgotten it

Someone slighted you, or you for whatever reason felt slighted, 17 years ago and you're still upset about it? 

What did they say?

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.   


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 07, 2017, 06:07:26 PM
someone there said something TOTALLY unacceptable to me as a woman. I was outta' there more due to that. 17 yrs. ago and still NOT forgotten it

Someone slighted you, or you for whatever reason felt slighted, 17 years ago and you're still upset about it? 

What did they say?

I wish them well in their sales endeavors being a Chatham based biz. Hope it's improved.
I'll never go back there. Long time ago and maybe things are dif there now. I'll never know. Burned my bridge there! All I'm saying and don't owe U any explanation.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 08, 2017, 07:28:57 PM
someone there said something TOTALLY unacceptable to me as a woman. I was outta' there more due to that. 17 yrs. ago and still NOT forgotten it

Someone slighted you, or you for whatever reason felt slighted, 17 years ago and you're still upset about it? 

What did they say?

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.   

Thank you for your riveting analysis. Even though said analysis apparently disregarded the word in all caps. Caps, by the way, imply feeling. Or at least that is the common perception regarding written English.

It's good to know we have you for alternative interpretations of the writtten word and piloting water in solid form.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 10, 2017, 08:19:55 AM


Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?


It's good to know we have you for alternative interpretations of the written word and piloting water in solid form.

Thanks for the alternative interpretation regarding the common perception of all caps.   Interesting to note the analysis disregards that the meaning of all caps is not 100% agreed upon.  However most do agree it can mean shouting and/or emphasis.   I guess that can be extrapolated to mean "feeling".     

  https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/netiquette-capitalization-how-caps-became-code-yelling 


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 10, 2017, 11:58:15 AM


Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?


It's good to know we have you for alternative interpretations of the written word and piloting water in solid form.

Thanks for the alternative interpretation regarding the common perception of all caps.   Interesting to note the analysis disregards that the meaning of all caps is not 100% agreed upon.  However most do agree it can mean shouting and/or emphasis.   I guess that can be extrapolated to mean "feeling".    

  https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/netiquette-capitalization-how-caps-became-code-yelling  

I'm just kidding around with you.  Perhaps you should rent a sense of humor since you apparently weren't issued one.

Also, you seem to be new here.  Before you deign to chastise others, perhaps you should avail yourself of the history here.  Or you can just weigh in and showcase your ignorance.  You know...instead of asking.

I vote for the you to post in complete ignorance because it is more entertaining.  Especially when you try to sound intelligent and claim that the phrase "common perception" implies "100% agreed upon".  Watching people struggle with the concept of absolutes is highly entertaining.

Also, people that are yelling are generally devoid of emotion....righto.

P.S. The fact that this is the most fun conversation I've had on here in months is rather depressing.  But thank you (sincerely).


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 10, 2017, 12:49:54 PM


Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?


It's good to know we have you for alternative interpretations of the written word and piloting water in solid form.

Thanks for the alternative interpretation regarding the common perception of all caps.   Interesting to note the analysis disregards that the meaning of all caps is not 100% agreed upon.  However most do agree it can mean shouting and/or emphasis.   I guess that can be extrapolated to mean "feeling".    

  https://newrepublic.com/article/117390/netiquette-capitalization-how-caps-became-code-yelling  

I'm just kidding around with you.  Perhaps you should rent a sense of humor since you apparently weren't issued one.

Also, you seem to be new here.  Before you deign to chastise others, perhaps you should avail yourself of the history here.  Or you can just weigh in and showcase your ignorance.  You know...instead of asking.

I vote for the you to post in complete ignorance because it is more entertaining.  Especially when you try to sound intelligent and claim that the phrase "common perception" implies "100% agreed upon".  Watching people struggle with the concept of absolutes is highly entertaining.

Also, people that are yelling are generally devoid of emotion....righto.

P.S. The fact that this is the most fun conversation I've had on here in months is rather depressing.  But thank you (sincerely).

Wow.  What a shame many of us are inferior, ignorant, lack intelligence and are deserving of keyboard attacks.  Civility and courtesy be damned, full speed ahead.    It's tiring.

Gotta ask 1911, which way is your head nodding now?


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 10, 2017, 01:03:31 PM
This board has dwindled from it's historical highs -in the number of postings and overall participation.   Wonder what it would take for more Chatham citizens to come back and participate?

I'm sure more virtue signaling from you will totally help.  I was once quite civil.  Over time I got tired of it because it was never reciprocated.  Also, I got tired of making salient points that only got screeching in return.

You don't know the history.  That part is obvious.  Where were you when Foggy was berating everyone?  Guess why he suddenly disappeared.  It was because I started making cogent arguments and he, more than likely, lacked the ability to form a considered response.

That's what happens almost every single time.  I've spent more time and energy than you know on this board trying to learn from others as well as teach.  What I've learned instead is that it has been a total waste of my time and effort.  

Go back and look at the things I've posted two and three years ago.  Put in 1% of what I've put in and then let's see how self righteous you are.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 10, 2017, 01:20:01 PM
This board has dwindled from it's historical highs -in the number of postings and overall participation.   Wonder what it would take for more Chatham citizens to come back and participate?

I'm sure more virtue signaling from you will totally help.  I was once quite civil.  Over time I got tired of it because it was never reciprocated.  Also, I got tired of making salient points that only got screeching in return.

You don't know the history.  That part is obvious.  Where were you when Foggy was berating everyone?  Guess why he suddenly disappeared.  It was because I started making cogent arguments and he, more than likely, lacked the ability to form a considered response.

That's what happens almost every single time.  I've spent more time and energy than you know on this board trying to learn from others as well as teach.  What I've learned instead is that it has been a total waste of my time and effort.  

Go back and look at the things I've posted two and three years ago.  Put in 1% of what I've put in and then let's see how self righteous you are.

Comparing me to someone else helps?   Being less than civil with me because you have spent great time and energy on this board helps?   I only know how you have treated my recent posts in this thread, and therefore me.   

You can be civil again.   It's your choice.



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 10, 2017, 01:57:46 PM
This board has dwindled from it's historical highs -in the number of postings and overall participation.   Wonder what it would take for more Chatham citizens to come back and participate?

I'm sure more virtue signaling from you will totally help.  I was once quite civil.  Over time I got tired of it because it was never reciprocated.  Also, I got tired of making salient points that only got screeching in return.

You don't know the history.  That part is obvious.  Where were you when Foggy was berating everyone?  Guess why he suddenly disappeared.  It was because I started making cogent arguments and he, more than likely, lacked the ability to form a considered response.

That's what happens almost every single time.  I've spent more time and energy than you know on this board trying to learn from others as well as teach.  What I've learned instead is that it has been a total waste of my time and effort.  

Go back and look at the things I've posted two and three years ago.  Put in 1% of what I've put in and then let's see how self righteous you are.

Comparing me to someone else helps?   Being less than civil with me because you have spent great time and energy on this board helps?   I only know how you have treated my posts, and therefore me.   

You can be civil again.  It's a choice Pi.  It's your choice.


Yes.  Just like you had a choice when it came to who you selected to chastise.  Look at this a different way.  Pretend you are me for a moment.  Pretend you've spent a lot of time and effort and gotten little but derision for it.  Pretend you have given up on sparing people their feelings and suffering fools. 

Imagine that you're dealing with someone who has a long history of being insulting and negative on the forum.  That person never wants to engage in an actual discussion.  They don't even try to justify their negativity or hatred.  They simply heap more and more of it on the board.  That's how Rabit operates.

Then imagine that some other poster, who just got here, decides to come after you even though for YEARS (see the feeling implied by caps?) you tried to have a logical discussion with Rabit.  Even though this new poster has no idea of the history.  Even though this new person has about 50 posts and just made a forum handle a couple months ago.

If you really want to play hall monitor, knock yourself out.  But do the board a small favor and refrain from doing so selectively. 


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on April 10, 2017, 08:33:22 PM
  How about we call this one a day and get to know each other better before we go at it.    :idea:


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 11, 2017, 08:24:28 AM
 How about we call this one a day and get to know each other better before we go at it.    :idea:

That is exactly what one should have expected from such a long term poster and grand teacher of all who enter the lair.  

Full late disclosure.   Not new to Chatham and not new to this board.  Been here (on this board ) over 10 years.   Gene's little playground here is quite the social experiment.  Remember well the discussions about banning posters, and playing by the rules when lines were perceived to be crossed.  

Know of many many postings from the likes of Pi, Peaceful, Randy Voller, Meg Miller, Christianhusband, MamaCash, Donnie Spring, Conehead, Silk, UNC70, Foggy, 1911, Bill Crawford, Brian Bock, SRVfan, Sofaking, Zorro, Axio, Integrity Ticket, Rabit, CCoach, Yip, Chatbooks, Jack Stevens,  heck I could go on and on.   btw JF, I seem to remember you having expertise in some part of the auto business, correct?  If so, was hoping you would have chimed in on this whole discussion about what happened to Chatham County auto dealerships.   :)

This was an experiment, poorly designed, but did validate something ( to me )   To remind all, this is what started whole thing.  A comment and questions.  1911 took the High Road.  Pi took the road often travelled by Pi.  

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.  


This is an opinion and only an opinion.  No facts or absolutes to be debated, just a run on sentence or two expressing a personal opinion;    If people cannot come here and have discussions, or reasonably challenge something that has been said, without being called ignorant, humorless, self righteous, foolish, etc., in long stream of consciousness responses, then, none of us will enjoy the full benefit of this great community because many are going to stay away, leave, or just lurk.  If people new to this board, make a post that is viewed as less than in line with the views of the vocal "old timers" and are attacked for it, well, same result.  


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 11, 2017, 09:01:38 AM
 How about we call this one a day and get to know each other better before we go at it.    :idea:

That is exactly what one should have expected from such a long term poster and grand teacher of all who enter the lair.  

Full late disclosure.   Not new to Chatham and not new to this board.  Been here (on this board ) over 10 years.   Gene's little playground here is quite the social experiment.  Remember well the discussions about banning posters, and playing by the rules when lines were perceived to be crossed.  

Know of many many postings from the likes of Pi, Peaceful, Randy Voller, Meg Miller, Christianhusband, MamaCash, Donnie Spring, Conehead, Silk, UNC70, Foggy, 1911, Bill Crawford, Brian Bock, SRVfan, Sofaking, Zorro, Axio, Integrity Ticket, Rabit, CCoach, Yip, Chatbooks, Jack Stevens,  heck I could go on and on.   btw JF, I seem to remember you having expertise in some part of the auto business, correct?  If so, was hoping you would have chimed in on this whole discussion about what happened to Chatham County auto dealerships.   :)

This was an experiment, poorly designed, but did validate something ( to me )   To remind all, this is what started whole thing.  A comment and questions.  1911 took the High Road.  Pi took the road often travelled by Pi.  

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.  


This is an opinion and only an opinion.  No facts or absolutes to be debated, just a run on sentence or two expressing a personal opinion;    If people cannot come here and have discussions, or reasonably challenge something that has been said, without being called ignorant, humorless, self righteous, foolish, etc., in long stream of consciousness responses, then, none of us will enjoy the full benefit of this great community because many are going to stay away, leave, or just lurk.  If people new to this board, make one post that is viewed as less than in line with the views of the vocal "old timers" and attacked for it, well, same result.  

You're making a spectacular attempt at trolling.  And here I am responding.  So I guess you could also call it successful trolling.

The bottom line is that I'm tired.  Tired of having been the voice of reason.  Tired of the negativity.  You say I take the low road, or at least that is the implication.  If you have in fact been there, and perhaps you were formally known as the poster hbsomething or other (just a guess based on the airplane theme), you would also know how I started out here.  Thus, it shouldn't be necessary to remind you.

One wonders why it was that you decided to single me out for your experiment.  Let's be absolutely clear: it isn't alternative views that I take issue with.  I am speaking only for myself in this regard.

What I take issue with is people that are only negative, and do not back up their arguments with some kind of logic.  If you have been here, you'll note that what Rabit does is snipe at people and when asked to explain herself, she simply refuses.

Long ago, it has become apparent that the board isn't really a place for discussion per se.  Or at least not discussion as I understand it.  The board is dead, for all intents and purposes.  If you feel the need to blame me for that, then go right ahead.  But you'd be wrong about the cause of the board's decline.

You know you're being selective here.  I know it.  Everyone else knows it.  It is what it is.  That's okay.  You have every right to be as selective as you want.  Then again, we all have the right to call it the way we see it.

I used to travel the road of reasonable discussion until I realized that I wasn't dealing with reasonable people.  Call me jaded, but it just isn't fun anymore.  You want me to go back to the old Pi?  Here's what you can do.  Lead by example.

Instead of righteous indignation, post things of substance.  And I don't mean a link to an article.  Lay out your thoughts in a logical and compelling manner.  Do that a few dozen times when it comes to big issues like healthcare, economics, the proper role of government, ethics, local ordinances, etc.  

Then after you do that, watch as people come in, snipe at you, and then run off without responding to any of your counterarguments.  Walking in my shoes takes a lot more effort than simply saying "See!! Pi was mean to me!".

Doing so is empty posturing.  You want to make the board great again?  It takes work.  Once you've put that work in, you'll come to the same conclusion I did.  It wasn't worth it.

Your mileage may vary.  You want to carry the torch or independent thought around here?  Here it is.  I'm passing it to you.  Take it.  Run with it.  Do what you will with it.  I'm done.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 11, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Do what you will with it.  I'm done.


I challenge you to be done with it.  I triple dog dare you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZj3zOUZNs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZj3zOUZNs#)


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 11, 2017, 09:20:32 AM
Do what you will with it.  I'm done.


I challenge you to be done with it.  I triple dog dare you.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZj3zOUZNs#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZj3zOUZNs#[/url])


Sure.  You going to pick up the torch or not?  That's the question.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: hb727 on April 11, 2017, 10:13:58 AM
 How about we call this one a day and get to know each other better before we go at it.    :idea:

That is exactly what one should have expected from such a long term poster and grand teacher of all who enter the lair.  

Full late disclosure.   Not new to Chatham and not new to this board.  Been here (on this board ) over 10 years.   Gene's little playground here is quite the social experiment.  Remember well the discussions about banning posters, and playing by the rules when lines were perceived to be crossed.  

Know of many many postings from the likes of Pi, Peaceful, Randy Voller, Meg Miller, Christianhusband, MamaCash, Donnie Spring, Conehead, Silk, UNC70, Foggy, 1911, Bill Crawford, Brian Bock, SRVfan, Sofaking, Zorro, Axio, Integrity Ticket, Rabit, CCoach, Yip, Chatbooks, Jack Stevens,  heck I could go on and on.   btw JF, I seem to remember you having expertise in some part of the auto business, correct?  If so, was hoping you would have chimed in on this whole discussion about what happened to Chatham County auto dealerships.   :)

This was an experiment, poorly designed, but did validate something ( to me )   To remind all, this is what started whole thing.  A comment and questions.  1911 took the High Road.  Pi took the road often travelled by Pi.  

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.  


This is an opinion and only an opinion.  No facts or absolutes to be debated, just a run on sentence or two expressing a personal opinion;    If people cannot come here and have discussions, or reasonably challenge something that has been said, without being called ignorant, humorless, self righteous, foolish, etc., in long stream of consciousness responses, then, none of us will enjoy the full benefit of this great community because many are going to stay away, leave, or just lurk.  If people new to this board, make one post that is viewed as less than in line with the views of the vocal "old timers" and attacked for it, well, same result.  

You're making a spectacular attempt at trolling.  And here I am responding.  So I guess you could also call it successful trolling.

The bottom line is that I'm tired.  Tired of having been the voice of reason.  Tired of the negativity.  You say I take the low road, or at least that is the implication.  If you have in fact been there, and perhaps you were formally known as the poster hbsomething or other (just a guess based on the airplane theme), you would also know how I started out here.  Thus, it shouldn't be necessary to remind you.

One wonders why it was that you decided to single me out for your experiment.  Let's be absolutely clear: it isn't alternative views that I take issue with.  I am speaking only for myself in this regard.

What I take issue with is people that are only negative, and do not back up their arguments with some kind of logic.  If you have been here, you'll note that what Rabit does is snipe at people and when asked to explain herself, she simply refuses.

Long ago, it has become apparent that the board isn't really a place for discussion per se.  Or at least not discussion as I understand it.  The board is dead, for all intents and purposes.  If you feel the need to blame me for that, then go right ahead.  But you'd be wrong about the cause of the board's decline.

You know you're being selective here.  I know it.  Everyone else knows it.  It is what it is.  That's okay.  You have every right to be as selective as you want.  Then again, we all have the right to call it the way we see it.

I used to travel the road of reasonable discussion until I realized that I wasn't dealing with reasonable people.  Call me jaded, but it just isn't fun anymore.  You want me to go back to the old Pi?  Here's what you can do.  Lead by example.

Instead of righteous indignation, post things of substance.  And I don't mean a link to an article.  Lay out your thoughts in a logical and compelling manner.  Do that a few dozen times when it comes to big issues like healthcare, economics, the proper role of government, ethics, local ordinances, etc.  

Then after you do that, watch as people come in, snipe at you, and then run off without responding to any of your counterarguments.  Walking in my shoes takes a lot more effort than simply saying "See!! Pi was mean to me!".

Doing so is empty posturing.  You want to make the board great again?  It takes work.  Once you've put that work in, you'll come to the same conclusion I did.  It wasn't worth it.

Your mileage may vary.  You want to carry the torch or independent thought around here?  Here it is.  I'm passing it to you.  Take it.  Run with it.  Do what you will with it.  I'm done.

It's been so many years since I've posted on here that I've forgotten how. No Pi, I would not be Ice Pilot2. Just wanted to clear that up.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 11, 2017, 10:28:34 AM
It's been so many years since I've posted on here that I've forgotten how. No Pi, I would not be Ice Pilot2. Just wanted to clear that up.

Good to see you again sir.  Apologies for any association or aspersions.  It was just a wild guess on my part.  Hope you are doing well!


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 11, 2017, 02:12:00 PM

It's been so many years since I've posted on here that I've forgotten how. No Pi, I would not be Ice Pilot2. Just wanted to clear that up.


Oh HBW,  it's just like flying a plane, or a helicopter, or selling real estate, or driving a fast German car, or riding a fast motorcycle, once you learn you never forget!   Welcome back from me too.    ;)

fwiw, note,  not even the Triple Dog Dare could keep Pi on point of being done.  Shocking  :o

There is no torch to pick up.  Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  Or, in the famous words of Ted "Theodore" Logan and Bill S. Preston Esq.  ; "Be Excellent to one another!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFy17auuK08# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFy17auuK08#)



Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 11, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
 Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  

That's precisely the torch I'm talking about.  But first, you have to take your own advice. 


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 11, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
 Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  

That's precisely the torch I'm talking about.  But first, you have to take your own advice. 

Done with it now neighbor?   


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 11, 2017, 02:53:05 PM
 Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  

That's precisely the torch I'm talking about.  But first, you have to take your own advice. 

Done with it now neighbor?   

Perhaps.  But then the bad guys would win, wouldn't they?  See, I appreciate you proving my point.  This whole thing was selective on your part.

And of course you refuse to take your own advice.  Nice way to start off 50 posts in as an obvious retread.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 11, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
 Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  

That's precisely the torch I'm talking about.  But first, you have to take your own advice. 

Done with it now neighbor?   

Perhaps.  But then the bad guys would win, wouldn't they?  See, I appreciate you proving my point.  This whole thing was selective on your part.

And of course you refuse to take your own advice.  Nice way to start off 50 posts in as an obvious retread.

Look, we obviously disagree.  I have no burning desire to have the last word.  Are there final thoughts you would like to add to this thread so we can move on?   Please add those and everyone can live to type another day.       


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Pi on April 11, 2017, 04:04:39 PM
 Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  

That's precisely the torch I'm talking about.  But first, you have to take your own advice. 

Done with it now neighbor?   

Perhaps.  But then the bad guys would win, wouldn't they?  See, I appreciate you proving my point.  This whole thing was selective on your part.

And of course you refuse to take your own advice.  Nice way to start off 50 posts in as an obvious retread.

Look, we obviously disagree.  I have no burning desire to have the last word.  Are there final thoughts you would like to add to this thread so we can move on?   Please add those and everyone can live to type another day.       

You started this back and forth.  You.  Not me.

I could say my final thoughts on this thread but we all know that this issue has been going on for years and will continue for years to come.  That's because there's a large segment of liberals that want to limit growth in Chatham County.  They do it under whatever auspices they can dream up.  Much of the time those "concerns" are about the environment.  But they're all just designed to limit landowners when it comes to doing what they please with their land.

That's what all of this zoning nonsense is all about.  It's a way for the county to control what people do.  Environmental regulations that dictate easements to the extent that one can hardly raise a barn or any other structure without going to the BOC with hat in hand.

The East simply looks down their nose at the West, and perceives them as quaint and backward.  That's why any "comprehensive plans" aren't comprehensive at all because the West is left behind.  Once again.  Until we start electing people that give a damn about the West, a sizeable portion of our county's geography and citizenry will always play second fiddle to the rest.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Silk_Hope on April 12, 2017, 08:17:32 AM
 Let all the people here be torch carriers and be neighborly to one another.  

That's precisely the torch I'm talking about.  But first, you have to take your own advice. 

Done with it now neighbor?   

Perhaps.  But then the bad guys would win, wouldn't they?  See, I appreciate you proving my point.  This whole thing was selective on your part.

And of course you refuse to take your own advice.  Nice way to start off 50 posts in as an obvious retread.

Look, we obviously disagree.  I have no burning desire to have the last word.  Are there final thoughts you would like to add to this thread so we can move on?   Please add those and everyone can live to type another day.       

You started this back and forth.  You.  Not me.

I could say my final thoughts on this thread but we all know that this issue has been going on for years and will continue for years to come.  That's because there's a large segment of liberals that want to limit growth in Chatham County.  They do it under whatever auspices they can dream up.  Much of the time those "concerns" are about the environment.  But they're all just designed to limit landowners when it comes to doing what they please with their land.

That's what all of this zoning nonsense is all about.  It's a way for the county to control what people do.  Environmental regulations that dictate easements to the extent that one can hardly raise a barn or any other structure without going to the BOC with hat in hand.

The East simply looks down their nose at the West, and perceives them as quaint and backward.  That's why any "comprehensive plans" aren't comprehensive at all because the West is left behind.  Once again.  Until we start electing people that give a damn about the West, a sizeable portion of our county's geography and citizenry will always play second fiddle to the rest.

I agree 100%. Many years ago the movement was there to let the districts choose their own commissioners, voting by district. Because this threatened the East's power it was voted down. There is no other reason for all of the County residents to vote for all of the Commissioners than to maintain power and the status quo.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2017, 09:59:29 AM
 How about we call this one a day and get to know each other better before we go at it.    :idea:

That is exactly what one should have expected from such a long term poster and grand teacher of all who enter the lair.  

Full late disclosure.   Not new to Chatham and not new to this board.  Been here (on this board ) over 10 years.   Gene's little playground here is quite the social experiment.  Remember well the discussions about banning posters, and playing by the rules when lines were perceived to be crossed.  

Know of many many postings from the likes of Pi, Peaceful, Randy Voller, Meg Miller, Christianhusband, MamaCash, Donnie Spring, Conehead, Silk, UNC70, Foggy, 1911, Bill Crawford, Brian Bock, SRVfan, Sofaking, Zorro, Axio, Integrity Ticket, Rabit, CCoach, Yip, Chatbooks, Jack Stevens,  heck I could go on and on.   btw JF, I seem to remember you having expertise in some part of the auto business, correct?  If so, was hoping you would have chimed in on this whole discussion about what happened to Chatham County auto dealerships.   :)

This was an experiment, poorly designed, but did validate something ( to me )   To remind all, this is what started whole thing.  A comment and questions.  1911 took the High Road.  Pi took the road often travelled by Pi.  

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.  


This is an opinion and only an opinion.  No facts or absolutes to be debated, just a run on sentence or two expressing a personal opinion;    If people cannot come here and have discussions, or reasonably challenge something that has been said, without being called ignorant, humorless, self righteous, foolish, etc., in long stream of consciousness responses, then, none of us will enjoy the full benefit of this great community because many are going to stay away, leave, or just lurk.  If people new to this board, make a post that is viewed as less than in line with the views of the vocal "old timers" and are attacked for it, well, same result.  


  If you can call 40+ years in the car business expertise then I guess I know a little bout it. First off I never worked here so what the inner workings that lead to their closing is not known to me. But it can't more than a couple of reasons, A they were old stores and the owners made their money and moved on or there was no one to take the business over and no buyers because of market size to make it worth it to take the over.   A lot of the story is probably that these stores were under an old version of the franchise agreements when the factories could NOT force you to spend millions to upgrade the stores to follow the new corporate look and rules.  There is nothing cheap about the upgrades and not to mention the new building rules  to make the local governments happy with code compliance.

  The last place I worked for had to spend in excess of 3 million to meet every bodies  requirements and that did not include to purchase if the building property and franchise which was over 12 mil. so you can see why people got out and the point just died off.  Not to mention government involvement in the closing of stores and they decide who stayed and who went based on knowing nothing about the business at all.  I know of several store that were well run and profitable store that lost their franchises and store that barely made it  that were allowed to keep their franchises.

  The suspicions and not unfounded were made based on who the owners supported politically funny that the vast majority that lost were backing repubs.  So for those of us on the inside started to see a pattern.

   As for Rabbits experience at the local dealers I wasn't there and I don't know. I only have her word for that something happened but I don't know what. I could have gotten heated which can happen and somebody decided that the best thing to do was walk away from the sale and yes we do/did walk away from some people who are too much of a pain to deal with because if it starts that way it just never gets better from that point on. Nobody needs the brain damage.

  She was free to take her money and walk.  Sometimes it's just bad chemistry between the buyer and the seller and you cant mix oil and water.  I know this if nothing else that as long as everybody involved is reasonable it works if that can't happen nothing happens.

  If it a looser nobody needs it you do what you can and that's it. What was or wasn't said to her to pi** her off only she and the other party know and we only have her side of the store and we don't even know what got it to the point of her being insulted or at least her perception of being insulted.

  People in the car business are no different than anybody else, they have families and homes and attend churches like everybody else.  And this may come as a shock they have feelings too. There are people that just look down their noses at us and they don't even try to hide it and we give it back in kind but not without trying to get a deal done. But in the it's on the both of the parties  to once again be reasonable if it doesn't happen we have to part company and move on.

   In my career I simply have never tolerated being abused or talked down to by anybody I didn't do it to them and have never taken it from them.  We have been called liars and thieves for as long as there has been a car business but I know also that a deal can go either way and lord know that usually there are liars on each side of the desk cause both parties are selling something to the other.

  IE did you know that every trade in I have gotten was in excellent condition bad tires sratches and dents not withstanding cause we didn't pay for tires paint work and body work so since the dealer got all that for nothing it should not matter as to the value of the trade not to mention that the new car they were trying to sell they got for free so the price was all profit and the byer has a right to get it for whatever they think it should be.

  This is getting long and I'll stop here.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: Ice Pilot2 on April 12, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
- - - -  This is getting long and I'll stop here.

Thanks for the post JF.


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: natvrabit on April 12, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
 How about we call this one a day and get to know each other better before we go at it.    :idea:

That is exactly what one should have expected from such a long term poster and grand teacher of all who enter the lair.  

Full late disclosure.   Not new to Chatham and not new to this board.  Been here (on this board ) over 10 years.   Gene's little playground here is quite the social experiment.  Remember well the discussions about banning posters, and playing by the rules when lines were perceived to be crossed.  


Know of many many postings from the likes of Pi, Peaceful, Randy Voller, Meg Miller, Christianhusband, MamaCash, Donnie Spring, Conehead, Silk, UNC70, Foggy, 1911, Bill Crawford, Brian Bock, SRVfan, Sofaking, Zorro, Axio, Integrity Ticket, Rabit, CCoach, Yip, Chatbooks, Jack Stevens,  heck I could go on and on.   btw JF, I seem to remember you having expertise in some part of the auto business, correct?  If so, was hoping you would have chimed in on this whole discussion about what happened to Chatham County auto dealerships.   :)

This was an experiment, poorly designed, but did validate something ( to me )   To remind all, this is what started whole thing.  A comment and questions.  1911 took the High Road.  Pi took the road often travelled by Pi.  

Did she say she was upset?  I thought I read it had not been forgotten.  Not the same.    Agree?

Not trying to pick a keyboard fight here (one that I would surely lose miserably imho after reading some of Pi's posts)  but, for goodness sake it might be time to slow the vitriol against Rabit in this thread.  This thread, not one from however many whatevers ago where she was less than positive to someone.  


This is an opinion and only an opinion.  No facts or absolutes to be debated, just a run on sentence or two expressing a personal opinion;    If people cannot come here and have discussions, or reasonably challenge something that has been said, without being called ignorant, humorless, self righteous, foolish, etc., in long stream of consciousness responses, then, none of us will enjoy the full benefit of this great community because many are going to stay away, leave, or just lurk.  If people new to this board, make a post that is viewed as less than in line with the views of the vocal "old timers" and are attacked for it, well, same result.  


  If you can call 40+ years in the car business expertise then I guess I know a little bout it. First off I never worked here so what the inner workings that lead to their closing is not known to me. But it can't more than a couple of reasons, A they were old stores and the owners made their money and moved on or there was no one to take the business over and no buyers because of market size to make it worth it to take the over.   A lot of the story is probably that these stores were under an old version of the franchise agreements when the factories could NOT force you to spend millions to upgrade the stores to follow the new corporate look and rules.  There is nothing cheap about the upgrades and not to mention the new building rules  to make the local governments happy with code compliance.

  The last place I worked for had to spend in excess of 3 million to meet every bodies  requirements and that did not include to purchase if the building property and franchise which was over 12 mil. so you can see why people got out and the point just died off.  Not to mention government involvement in the closing of stores and they decide who stayed and who went based on knowing nothing about the business at all.  I know of several store that were well run and profitable store that lost their franchises and store that barely made it  that were allowed to keep their franchises.

  The suspicions and not unfounded were made based on who the owners supported politically funny that the vast majority that lost were backing repubs.  So for those of us on the inside started to see a pattern.

   As for Rabbits experience at the local dealers I wasn't there and I don't know. I only have her word for that something happened but I don't know what. I could have gotten heated which can happen and somebody decided that the best thing to do was walk away from the sale and yes we do/did walk away from some people who are too much of a pain to deal with because if it starts that way it just never gets better from that point on. Nobody needs the brain damage.

  She was free to take her money and walk.  Sometimes it's just bad chemistry between the buyer and the seller and you cant mix oil and water.  I know this if nothing else that as long as everybody involved is reasonable it works if that can't happen nothing happens.

  If it a looser nobody needs it you do what you can and that's it. What was or wasn't said to her to pi** her off only she and the other party know and we only have her side of the store and we don't even know what got it to the point of her being insulted or at least her perception of being insulted.

  People in the car business are no different than anybody else, they have families and homes and attend churches like everybody else.  And this may come as a shock they have feelings too. There are people that just look down their noses at us and they don't even try to hide it and we give it back in kind but not without trying to get a deal done. But in the it's on the both of the parties  to once again be reasonable if it doesn't happen we have to part company and move on.

   In my career I simply have never tolerated being abused or talked down to by anybody I didn't do it to them and have never taken it from them.  We have been called liars and thieves for as long as there has been a car business but I know also that a deal can go either way and lord know that usually there are liars on each side of the desk cause both parties are selling something to the other.

  IE did you know that every trade in I have gotten was in excellent condition bad tires sratches and dents not withstanding cause we didn't pay for tires paint work and body work so since the dealer got all that for nothing it should not matter as to the value of the trade not to mention that the new car they were trying to sell they got for free so the price was all profit and the byer has a right to get it for whatever they think it should be.

  This is getting long and I'll stop here.

I'd rather of dealt with a local non spiffed/glitzed up dealership. Just didn't happen then. I was buying "american" that year and that vehicle served me well for close to 15 yrs. before another need kicked in.
More recent than that 1990 purchase on another purchase, had to have some warranty/recall work done via one of those spiffed up dealerships. It was a nightmare of 6 trips to get the job done right~they are mud with me to say the least both as a dealership and absolutely as a 'service' center.

I'm thankful for a local mechanic that knows my brand inside and out here on out!


Title: Re: Chatham Comprehensive Plan
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2017, 03:46:26 PM
  You have/had the right to deal with anybody you want to and so do the dealers is all I'm saying in or out of county. You're free to buy whatever you want and so does anybody else where and when they want without any repercussions from anybody.