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Author Topic: Fisking Pittsboro Matters hatred of Chatham Park  (Read 1038 times)
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« on: February 09, 2014, 11:43:55 AM »

Fisking
The word is derived from articles written by Robert Fisk that were easily refuted, and refers to a point-by-point debunking of lies and/or idiocies.

The term fisking is blogosphere slang describing a point-by-point criticism that highlights perceived errors, or disputes the analysis in a statement, article, or essay

Since there is so much misinformation coming from Pittsboro Matters it's time to slice and dice their positions.

Let's start with this Chatlist post.

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:57:04 -0500
From: samantha capitol
Subject: PittsboroMatters: Is it misleading or just wrong? You decide.

*Fiction: Pittsboro Matters is a large and diverse group advocating for
Pittsboro.Fact: The group is apparently led by a few people who issue
talking points. As for demographic diversity.....it has been obvious that the
group is mainly white, educated, newcomers, with a smattering of natives
and people who have been here awhile who speak  chiefly for people who
already own their own property. If the group thinks that "Pittsboro
Matters" then it follows that the group should be advocating on all issues
"Pittsboro", but instead it focuses on the "process" of Chatham Park, which
is a lawyer's way of delaying job creation and not actually accomplishing
anything. Did Thomas Jefferson wait for a group to help him with the
"process" of writing the Declaration of Independence? Finally, the group
does not address the people who need work now, and would like to live in
nice places like Fearrington or Southern Village and be close to a good
job. Fiction: - The project will be just like Cary.Fact:  - The project is
a master planned community, which is NOT how Cary grew. Fearrington is an
example of a planned community. Fiction: -Pittsboro Matters knows what its
doing.Fact: -The group makes a series of allegations about the abilities of
the developers and their team, yet is led by some people who have little to
no qualifications to make such a critique. Worse yet, at least one of the
leaders has a history of failure and/or quitting with a penchant for
leaving it to others to clean up the mess. Fiction: - We have no idea about
the financial resources committed to this project. Fact: - We do have an
idea of their resources. Anyone can go online and see that Chatham Park has
spent tens of millions of  dollars and OWNS the property FREE of debt. By
definition they have committed financial resources to the project. As an
example, if someone owns their own home free of debt then they would be
considered to be in a better financial situation than a neighbor who has a
mortgage. By way of example, I imagine that Briar Chapel was built in part
with borrowed money and/or funding from Wall Street. Obviously they were
affected when the credit crisis of 2007-2008 occurred. (Remember the INDY
article on the "Zombie subdivisions" of Chatham County?)Briar Chapel and
its developer adjusted and continued to build its residential part first,
which pays off immediately but can add burden to the county in the form of
schools and services. The commercial tax base was put on hold.This will not
happen in Chatham Park. It owns the land free and clear. It is starting
with the UNC medical facilities, which enhances tax base, creates jobs with
the construction process and will create permanent jobs at the facility,
too.http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/welcome-to-zombieland-the-aftermath-of-chathams-pro-growth-era/Content?oid=1299759

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 09:06:00 PM »

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:02:46 -0500
From: Taylor Kish
Subject: John Alderman's well stated target

Back on Nov. 5 I reserved judgement on John Alderman's post #4793 because he sounded interesting and knowledgeable.

John Alderman never informed us via this Chatlist he was paid by the Rocky River Heritage Foundation to perform tests on the Rocky River.  The RRHF obtained money from the EPA and Chatham County to pay for John Alderman's "study" and sue Siler City for allegedly polluting the Rocky River.  (I don't know how the suit was, or whether, decided.)

This is how liberals operate.

Retired Baby Boomers obtain grant money from our Board of Commissioners saying they only want to ensure clean water.

They get grant money from the EPA by making it clear, being specific, they will use the money to attack evil polluters.  Then they look around for who they can blame for pollution.  And the leaders of the "foundation" stand to benefit from the cleanup in several ways.  But we are expected to believe they only want to ensure the earth is protected?  Private sector polluters will be made to clean up the pollution but monitored by the "foundation" to ensure it is remediated "properly".  Municipalities (like Siler City) will be forced to seek EPA money to clean up their pollution using people like John Alderman who are "experts" at spending grant money.

Liberals get grant money from well-funded non-profit foundations (like the Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation) dedicated to the destruction of our Constitution, private property rights, destroying the private sector and capitalism.

Theirs is an incestuous cesspool of obtaining and spending other people's money INSTEAD OF THEIR OWN to bring down the very systems that make it possible.  Using tax-free dollars to hurt the private sector (money obtained freely in the market place) while growing their own riches from money taken by taxation.  Using Chatham County tax dollars to sue us!  Thank you, Democrat Chatham County BOC BEFORE the Republicans were voted in.  Democrats giving money to fellow Democrats to get more money from taxpayers.

So you see, Jane Forbes, it IS about MONEY.  Grabbing all the "free" MONEY you can get from people who make this country work and giving it to people trying to destroy our country.

This is NOT a nasty, derogatory statement against John Alderman or anyone else or any stupid (though highly educated) lawyer.  I think John Alderman should have disclosed he was paid by RRHF to obtain proof of evil polluters were causing devaluation of property along the Rocky River. If anyone looks into who and what is REALLY driving PittsboroMatters, IMO you will clearly see it is MONEY.  It is ugly but all too true.  And the
stupid dupes who glibly follow along are pathetic.  How much will YOU contribute to PittsboroMatters to stop those evil, privately funded developers?  How much grant money will be given to the leaders of PittsboroMatters to sue Chatham taxpayers?  (And if I don't get rich from private donations to Pittsboro Matters, oh well, it did not cost ME anything.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.)

How much (extortion) money will have to be given to the leaders of PittsboroMatters to quiet down?  How much of this "outrage" is due to somebody not being given under-the-table money or not included in the proposed outcomes?  Will Preston Developers calculate it cheaper to include some OTHER developer with hurt feelings because he was not invited to the party?  Will some PittsboroMatters leader quietly say to some elected official, "I control a HUGE group of people (though ACTUAL numbers are really small) who will excoriate you during the next election cycle UNLESS you grant me a permit, or give me grant money, or purchase land from me, or cite a park next to my future development" et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 08:19:32 PM »

Mr. Zorro must be an accountant and he must have studied all those nonprofits 990's submitted to the IRS?   Are they soon to be called to the "Dock" for their transgressions?   Mr.Zorro, please grow and act your age.   Try and be sensible in your remarks and at least support your remarks with documented facts.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2014, 10:06:18 PM »

So, that's your schtick?  You call on others to grow up/rely on facts not opinions when I see you guilty of the same transgression from all the evidence of on-line postings?

Grow up y'self, grinchie.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 09:24:17 AM »

So, that's your schtick?  You call on others to grow up/rely on facts not opinions when I see you guilty of the same transgression from all the evidence of on-line postings?

Grow up y'self, grinchie.

Would you be kind enough to refer me to these transgressions.   I will not hesitate to apologize for any such transgressions!  So please help me out!
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