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Author Topic: Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition. If You Can Find Any.  (Read 757 times)
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« on: January 28, 2013, 12:32:01 PM »

The thread title is a joke.  But I did see an interesting quote today:

"If armed civilians are not a problem for tyrants, why have tyrants always sought to disarm the citizenry?"

Also saw this posted on a gun related forum: sold 15 million rounds of IMI 5.56 to civilians in about two hours last week. Put that in 50 cal ammo cans, 900 rounds per can, and stack them up to 6' tall:

Here's what 15 million rounds looks like - each little 'tick' is a 6' guy standing on top of the stack at 100 yard intervals:

That's two hours worth of sales from a single vendor.  If that doesn't give a government pause, nothing will. 

Apparently, it does give government pause:
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.  The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."  This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: "this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions."

We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

Note that it isn't the military.  It is Homeland Security, which wants to ammo for domestic law enforcement.  This makes me wonder if:

1. The government is purposely buying up ammo to reduce the supply available to civilians.
2. The government is expecting something.


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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 12:48:52 PM »

The regime is ordering ammo at unprecedented rates.
The regime is purchasing automatic and semi-automatic weapons for employees who have no discernable need for them.
The regime is buying out the production capacity of ammunition manufacturers.
The regime is attempting to legislate away the citizen's 2nd amendment rights.

What could possibly go wrong?

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 12:58:19 PM »

There were a few tidbits of news last year of DHS buying up large quantities of ammo.

Have a look at a few of the links:

After reading through these, it makes you pause for a moment and wonder (1) if it's really true, and (2) what if it's really true?

If true, and it boils down to the brass tacks, I pray there will be more folks who will adhere to the notion of the oath they took (the one they took when taking their jobs) actually means something.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 01:41:15 PM »

Obama Administration Repositioning Homeland Security Ammunition ContainersPosted by Jim Hoft on Monday, January 28, 2013, 12:07 PM

Obma’s Homeland Security Department has purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition – that is not a typo — during the last six months.

ATK is one company that won a contract with the Department of Homeland Security to provide 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition in 2012.

Previously it was reported that people around the US have begun reporting the site of strange, new, heavily-armed FEMA fighting vehicles this past year.

One set of images made available by shows trailer after trailer carrying these new DHS and FEMA armored fighting vehicles, complete with machine gun slots. They’re labeled with the usual backward American flag and the title, ‘Homeland Security’. Below that and the DHS logo, it also reads, ‘Immigration & Customs Enforcement’. Joining those markings, the black vehicles with white lettering also display ‘POLICE/RESCUE’ on one side and ‘Special Response Team’ on the other.

Whiteout Press reported on the government ammunition purchases back in October 2012.

As we detailed in the August 28 Whiteout Press article ‘History of DHS Ammunition Purchases’, federal emergency management agencies are looking more and more like a military army every day.

The federal government’s procurement website actually lists DHS’ requests for bids to supply it with ammunition and military weaponry. All of the orders listed in the above article, including the orders for hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition, are publicly available at

One look at a chart of DHS ammunition purchases over the past decade reveals a drastic spike in orders of bullets recently, totaling in the billions of rounds. Other charts available online show a similar drastic spike in the purchases of accompanying weaponry by the Department of Homeland Security.

What is the US federal government preparing for? And why does it feel it needs an army of brainwashed youth, millions of guns, thousands of armored fighting vehicles and literally billions of rounds of ammunition, just to provide relief to the American people during a natul disaster? Any historian will tell you it sounds more like the arming of the Hitler Youth than an army of first responders fighting forest fires and hurricanes.

Look for the Homeland Security ammunition containers coming soon to your community.

Nothing to see here comrade - move along...

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 01:54:55 PM »

Secondarily related:

"... The Fort Drum report is the key to finding the answers to several pertinent questions:

Why are they destroying brass, reducing its value and making it useless for reloading? Is it because they never got the message from a few years back and don’t know any better, or did someone in authority order it?

If the latter, who? And why?

Why, under “Applicable Regulations,” does the Fort Drum program cite a host of federal regulations, executive orders, State of New York regulations and Department of Defense regulations, but omit any acknowledgement of the key regulation cited in the Baucus/Tester letter, namely the Department of Defense Appropriations Act and Public Law, prohibiting such destruction?

... How widespread is the destruction policy? Is it confined to Fort Drum or is this practice being conducted at other military installations? How many?

Again, who is authorizing/mandating it and why they are doing so become important questions to determine answers to.

Doing that is perhaps something best ferreted out by Congress in the bright light of public scrutiny, but chances are they won’t involve themselves unless they hear from concerned gun owners demanding that they do. The key there will be finding out if this is just a bureaucratic oversight resulting from failed communications, or if this is yet more “under the radar” executive maneuvering with the intent of further choking off already strained civilian market ammunition supply lines."

A commenter offered this:

The last time this issue came up, it was revealed the base commander had a kickback arrangement with ATK. They wanted the brass deformed so they could buy it for pennies on the dollar, then recycle back into new cases. Selling it on the open market to reloaders would be too much like competition.

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