Guns and Ammo this weekend in Raleigh

[Silk_Hope]

Agreed, laws are already there but are not being enforced. We also need to promote training, classroom instruction is available free online and actual shooting courses are inexpensive and readily available. The truth is most law enforcement officers want to see properly trained people and are more than willing to assist. However, there are law enforcement officers that only shoot once a year to qualify yet do not practice using their self defense.

They want all guns Everett, the "assault weapons" are the first step. The lefties wasnt to make people to believe that guns are like cigarettes, a public health hazard whose habit must be quit.

If we, as a country, spent half as much law enforcement effort (time, money, action etc. etc.) as we do on handing out speeding tickets and seat belt tickets,  on ENFORCING the existing gun laws and exacting penalties for violators, this discussion would not be happening.

[WolfpackFan]

I read a cop was checking a gun before allowing a patron to enter when it accidently went off.  It hit a man in the hand and a woman in the side.

Found a link: http://www.wral.com/two-people-injured-in-shooting-at-raleigh-gun-show/12000843/

It also says it was not a cop, but an offical at a safety check-in station.

The TV news last night says that no gun show official (cop,check-in person, etc.) ever touched the shotgun........and speaking of that, it was a shotgun, something not even being mentioned as an "assault" rifle, or now as snooty Nora O'Donnel (along with others) is calling them;  Weapons of Mass Destruction.   

It appears the story changed about every hour yesterday.  You have to love the "got have some kind of story right now" media.  They can add the facts later.

[Axiomatic]

I read a cop was checking a gun before allowing a patron to enter when it accidently went off.  It hit a man in the hand and a woman in the side.

Found a link: http://www.wral.com/two-people-injured-in-shooting-at-raleigh-gun-show/12000843/

It also says it was not a cop, but an offical at a safety check-in station.

The TV news last night says that no gun show official (cop,check-in person, etc.) ever touched the shotgun........and speaking of that, it was a shotgun, something not even being mentioned as an "assault" rifle, or now as snooty Nora O'Donnel (along with others) is calling them;  Weapons of Mass Destruction.   

Democratic Party: Weapons of Mass Destruction

[kstraughn]

I heard from someone that was there that the officer put the zip tie on the trigger without clearing the chamber.

One EYEWITNESS says the shotgun was laying on the table, law enforcement EYEWITNESS said the gun was still in the case, gun show officials said it was being removed from it's case.

No matter which story is correct, blame goes to the weapon clearing table personnel, what IDIOT clears a weapon with it pointed close to people?

[Everett McGill]

I heard from someone that was there that the officer put the zip tie on the trigger without clearing the chamber.

One EYEWITNESS says the shotgun was laying on the table, law enforcement EYEWITNESS said the gun was still in the case, gun show officials said it was being removed from it's case.

No matter which story is correct, blame goes to the weapon clearing table personnel, what IDIOT clears a weapon with it pointed close to people?

I don't know.....maybe the same kind of idiot that brings a loaded shotgun to a gun show?

[Axiomatic]

I heard from someone that was there that the officer put the zip tie on the trigger without clearing the chamber.

One EYEWITNESS says the shotgun was laying on the table, law enforcement EYEWITNESS said the gun was still in the case, gun show officials said it was being removed from it's case.

No matter which story is correct, blame goes to the weapon clearing table personnel, what IDIOT clears a weapon with it pointed close to people?

I don't know.....maybe the same kind of idiot that brings a loaded shotgun to a gun show?

Both excellent points. It grieves me to see such negligence within one of my chosen pursuits. My Pa taught me better I see it only going to further fan the flames against us.

(notice how I refrained from the "give them ammunition against us" pun? ;-)

[Pi]

Here's a scary thought for you guys:

I know a guy who used to work at a gun shop.  A customer came in and asked to see a revolver.  The gun shop employee obliged but as was his custom, kept a close eye on the customer.  The customer slipped a live round into the chamber and closed it.  He put it back on the counter and asked to see another one.  At this point, the employee (as nonchalantly as possible) had his hand on his own gun, thinking that this might have been some kind of robbery attempt.  Instead, he hit the silent alarm and allowed the guy to look at a couple other guns in an effort to keep him busy, all the while making sure no one touched the loaded revolver.  Just as the guy started to walk out the door, the police arrived and arrested him.  Turns out, the guy was an anti-gun activist.  His hope was that the next customer would come in and accidentally shoot someone, thus resulting in negative press. 

Moral of the story: Never underestimate the willingness of the opposition to hurt people to make their point.  I know for a fact that other people have been caught loading rounds in guns at gun shows in an effort to cause trouble.  I can't speak to all of their motives, but this is why it is important to keep a sharp eye and obey all safety rules.

[Axiomatic]

Interesting Pi - and disturbing as well. I was taught firing line diligence and overall sitrep but beyond maintaining a wary eye - even at the gunshow - I must admit that there can be aspects to the underhanded antics of totally unscrupulous people that I hadn't considered.

That said, another habit I learned from my Pa was to clear a weapon - even if the guy cleared it right before handing it to me (you should see the looks I get sometimes!).

 

[Everett McGill]

Here's a scary thought for you guys:

I know a guy who used to work at a gun shop.  A customer came in and asked to see a revolver.  The gun shop employee obliged but as was his custom, kept a close eye on the customer.  The customer slipped a live round into the chamber and closed it.  He put it back on the counter and asked to see another one.  At this point, the employee (as nonchalantly as possible) had his hand on his own gun, thinking that this might have been some kind of robbery attempt.  Instead, he hit the silent alarm and allowed the guy to look at a couple other guns in an effort to keep him busy, all the while making sure no one touched the loaded revolver.  Just as the guy started to walk out the door, the police arrived and arrested him.  Turns out, the guy was an anti-gun activist.  His hope was that the next customer would come in and accidentally shoot someone, thus resulting in negative press. 

Moral of the story: Never underestimate the willingness of the opposition to hurt people to make their point.  I know for a fact that other people have been caught loading rounds in guns at gun shows in an effort to cause trouble.  I can't speak to all of their motives, but this is why it is important to keep a sharp eye and obey all safety rules.

Wow....never would have come up with that.......can see the possibility of it though.....

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