More facts belie chicken little and other MMGW proponents.

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517128


<The new study, published in the online journal Geophysical Research Letters, does not deny that increasing amounts of CO2 have been generated as the world has industrialized, eradicated disease, produced agricultural abundance and improved man's standard of living. It does show that only 45% of man's emissions, not 100% as warmers claim, stays in the atmosphere, and that includes the carbon emissions of the private jets that flew to Copenhagen last month and the limos that drove the occupants around.

The rest is absorbed by nature, and that percentage hasn't changed since 1850. Knorr arrived at that figure by relying solely on measurements and statistical data, including historical records extracted from Antarctic ice. He did not rely, as the CRU did, on badly written computer models with built-in fudge factors to direct the data to a foregone conclusion.

Another result of this study, reports Anthony Watts at WattsUpWithThat.com, is that emissions from deforestation, caused in large part by the clearing of forest land to grow allegedly planet-saving biofuels, may have been grossly overestimated. This finding agrees with results published in November in the journal Nature Geoscience by a team led by Guido van der Werf from VU University in Amsterdam. It reanalyzed deforestation data and concluded that resulting emissions have been overestimated by a factor of two.>

[snowcamper]

Facts don't matter...  you just need to believe.

Oil companies have a financial interest, but government scientists are pure altruists.

Deniers are not "real scientists", but MMGW proponents, who have difficulty with "data" and "facts" are.

[bobsyouruncle]

Facts don't matter... you just need to believe.

Speak for yourself.

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Wolfpackfan already started a whole thread on Dr. Wolfgang Knorr's research.

http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,16585.0.html

And a link to this blog entry and radio interview with Dr. Knorr by broadcast journalist Martin Jones was also  posted to that thread. 


Bristol research does not support climate change denial
November 10, 2009

Just wanted to put this out there. I’ve been pretty disappointed, though not entirely surprised, by some of the coverage the Wolfgang Knorr research has received.

Basically, Bristol University scientist Knorr has discovered that the proportion of CO2 being absorbed by natural ’sinks’ (i.e. the oceans and forests) has stayed roughly the same, despite the amount of carbon being emitted shooting up.

The implication is that we have more time to address climate change than some believe because more carbon has been absorbed than previously thought.

But Dr Knorr is adamant that we must still adress climate change, and favours mandatory caps on emissions. I ask him if that’s what we need to do and he says, “There is no other way”.

But I was aware this story would generate a lot of coverage suggesting the research supports climate change denial, and that’s exactly what we’re seeing. I think when the nationals get hold of this (probably tomorrow) it’ll go into overdrive.

So here is an interview in which I ask Dr Knorr specifically whether his research backs up climate sceptics. (He says no, if you can’t listen to it)

http://jonesthenews.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/bristol-research-does-not-support-climate-change-denial/

I'd suggest listening to the interview with Dr. Knorr, but for anyone who doesn't, here's a partial transcription.

About the possibility his research being used as an excuse for doing nothing--:

"That would be a very superficial interpretation of the results because still almost half of the CO2 we emit stays in the atmosphere, and that's enough to cause global warming. And also the research is only on the past, so we are pushing the system to a limit and it might, at a certain stage, break as the model suggests, but it hasn't happened yet so I wouldn't experiment with the climate system."

What this suggests for the Copenhagen summit--

"It is good news because some  suggestions  that these things  have already declined might have been false alarms so it is not as dire as we think. So that, well ,that makes it slightly easier  to stabilize the CO2 and the climate. So that is good news for the negotiations  because it's tough enough to impose the necessary limits on CO2 emissions."

Whether or not he has any sense of trepidation about publishing findings that could be "jumped on" and used as an excuse for doing very little or nothing about climate change--

" We had a lot of research coming out that could be suggested that way.  I believe that science has to be open and fair, and we shouldn't hide any of the the results, and because climate critics will always find something-- I mean, no matter what  the results are. 

As I said, it's not an indication not to do anything. And you can always misinterpret the results, but I think the experience shows that that kind of misinformation dies out quickly. I don't see a problem."

[chrstnhsbndfthr]

Facts don't matter...  you just need to believe.

That has been the mantra they have been spouting all along.


Of course the record cold should also be ignored.

http://www.accuweather.com/news-weather-features.asp?partner=&traveler=0&date=2010-01-04_1701&month=1&year=2010
<"Winter of 2009-2010 Could Be Worst in 25 Years
Posted 2010-01-04
Nearly the entire eastern half of the United States is enduring bitterly cold temperatures not experienced since 1985. Even Florida, which has been hovering around freezing levels overnight recently, is also feeling the almost-nationwide chill.

By Jon Auciello
AccuWeather.com
Nearly the entire eastern half of the United States is enduring bitterly cold temperatures not experienced since 1985. Even Florida, which has been hovering around freezing levels overnight recently, is also feeling the almost-nationwide chill.

"It'll be like the great winters of the '60s and '70s," said AccuWeather.com Chief Meteorologist and Expert Long Range Forecaster Joe Bastardi.">

Also,
<The cold air currently streaming across the Upper Midwest into the East and South will only compound the winter problems of the nation, especially since these depths have not been experienced across such a wide area simultaneously in decades.

Orr, Minn., had the coldest temperature in the United States on Monday, hitting 40 degrees below zero. Other places recorded new record low maximums, such as Bluefield, W.Va., where the temperature never exceeded 17 degrees.>

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