Paddling in schools

[mork_huntman]

Really?

http://wunc.org/programs/news/archive/state-senate-allows-paddling-in-schools/view

N.C. Senate OK's Paddling in Schools
Thursday, June 25 2009 by Laura Leslie |  Send to a friend

State Senate lawmakers defeated a measure that would have required parental consent for paddling.  Under the proposal, schools that use corporal punishment would have had to ask parents for permission to paddle students.  Kids whose parents didn't consent would be disciplined by other means.  Supporters said parents should have that choice.

But Republican leader Phil Berger said it would mean the end of paddling for all students. "A teacher is not going to have two students that do the same thing and discipline one of them with corporal punishment and not the other," says Berger.  "It just won't happen."

The original bill would have also required the fifty-five districts that still use corporal punishment to keep data on whom they paddle and why.  The State House approved the measure, but the Senate voted it down by a slim margin.

[kimmimom]

I believe Chatham Schools banned it about a year ago.  Anybody else remember this?

[kdgtn46]

Corporal punishment was "banned" many years ago - about the same time the old saying "if you get a whipping at school, you'll get another one when you get home" left.  No school administrator/teacher/employee felt like jeopardizing their jobs to make a point by paddling a student.  This is when we started seeing suspensions, in school suspensions, expulsions, etc.  I can remember a parent telling me that the school was not to discipline her child in any shape, form, or fashion - if we did, she would think nothing about taking me/principal/school system to court - and this was a kindergarten child!!  (It didn't take me long to realize that both the child and parent could have used an old fashioned trip to the woodshed!)  Risk my job for it?  Don't think so!!

[mamacash2]

Corporal punishment was "banned" many years ago - about the same time the old saying "if you get a whipping at school, you'll get another one when you get home" left.  No school administrator/teacher/employee felt like jeopardizing their jobs to make a point by paddling a student.  This is when we started seeing suspensions, in school suspensions, expulsions, etc.  I can remember a parent telling me that the school was not to discipline her child in any shape, form, or fashion - if we did, she would think nothing about taking me/principal/school system to court - and this was a kindergarten child!!  (It didn't take me long to realize that both the child and parent could have used an old fashioned trip to the woodshed!)  Risk my job for it?  Don't think so!!

Can not blame you for not risking your job...to bad everyone thinks their kid is the one who is not the problem...just wonder why any parent thinks others want to put up with the undisciplined child and allow their child to run through 12-13 years of school causing problems....teach your children well means a lot and goes a long way to giving discipline back in the schools...parents teach your children respect and they just might do you proud.

We are so busy teaching them self respect, self confidence, self awareness...the only real thing they remember is SELF and no one else. Give them a sense of community and others also and a healthy dose of shame when they act inappropriately and a well rounded person just might come out of it.

[peace1]

Well said, Mama. Children might feel embarrassed if they get paddled in school in front of their friends! How humiliating! And what if it's a teacher that paddles too hard. Ha Ha. That is what all the people against this are probably thinking. Right? Parents used to "trust" teachers, coaches, and others in the community with using good judgement around their children. Not anymore. Children notice this, they see their parents and peers not respecting adult leaders, so why should they? Honestly, I wouldn't want anyone paddling my child, especially if he/she may be innocent. But it would teach him this lesson: don't be anywhere near where trouble may start. And that in itself is a great lesson... Peace

[Silk_Hope]

I got paddled in school, size 13 tennis shoe and 3 whacks. First time I was whacked it shocked me and after that every time I was sent to the principals office I saw the shoe and I knew it had my name on it. The shoe was a great deterrent, I would give permission to allow my kids to be paddled, they need to know there are consequences to their actions.

[freedomswardogs]

I have one solitary reason for being against paddling in schools.  That is: no one is going to lay a hand on my child but ME...period.  I am not concerned about him being embarrassed or humiliated.  He is my child and no one else, except his daddy has a right to physically punish him.  

I went to catholic school from K-9th grade.  I grew up with nuns hitting us with their rulers and their hands.  Didn't do me much harm but I didn't like it and I don't think it is necessary.

Both my husband and I consistently teach my son about respect, respect for teachers, adults and other children, thru our own mannerisms and such.  I believe that being excluded from certain school activities, being sent to the principal's office, suspensions and even expulsions, if necessary, are effective alternatives to paddling.  

I do not have a problem with other adults (teachers..etc.) 'scolding' or disciplining my son. But spanking him? No way. Not me.

[belle]

good for you, I mean that.

but what about the parents who don't care? the parents who don't discipline their kids, for being bullies, stealing, assault?

what are the victim's parents to do? nothing? so it appears.

[freedomswardogs]

good for you, I mean that.

but what about the parents who don't care? the parents who don't discipline their kids, for being bullies, stealing, assault?

what are the victim's parents to do? nothing? so it appears.

I believe that school's should adhere to strict disciplinary actions.  Such as, counseling, warnings, suspensions and if necessary expulsions.  In our court system we have 1st offenders, 2nd offenders..repeat offenders.  They all carry different punishments scales.  I'm not saying my child has never been spanked, because he has.  As he's grown he has been much more agreeable, I guess I'm lucky in that respect because he's a good kid.  Perhaps that's why I am so vehemently against anyone laying a hand on him that isn't 'family'. 

Like I said, I was raised on spankings, from my parents and from teachers.  I just wonder what am I saying to my child? It's okay for strangers to hit you? We teach our son to treat everyone he meets with the utmost respect and kindness, why would it then be okay for someone to hit him?

As adults, when we do something wrong, the courts don't send us for beatings, or 'spankings'.  We are either fined, given probation or sent to jail.  If there was a child who was a bully or guilty of assault wouldn't paddling just make that particular child more angry, thus more of a menace?

I hope that parents, teachers and faculty can work together to help our kids thru any issues they may be having and also to have swift discipline upon first offenses.  No slacking!

I am grateful to live here in Chatham County and have my son in the school he is in.  I was raised in a tough environment, out of state.  One of the reasons we moved here was for our son to be raised in a better environment both moralistically and physically.  Gathering from what I see my nieces and nephews going thru where they live vs. the wonderful experiences my son is having, I know we made a great choice and we appreciate this County for that.

[NC YIPPIE]

It's so outdated, it is an embarrassment to this state that it is still debated.

Nobody should have the legal right to lay their hands on my child without my consent, period.

Suspend, expel, whatever it takes to maintain order. Basically to me what it says is that the school administration is not smart enough to come up with a better option, which is all the more reason to not have that option on the table. It won't make the parents care and won't make the kid care anyway.

[kstraughn]

< As adults, when we do something wrong, the courts don't send us for beatings, or 'spankings'.

Maybe our courts and prisons wouldn't be so crowded if they brought back public flogging and hanging. I was paddled in school, Mr Taylor at Horton, Mrs. Barnes at Horton, it didn't teach me that it was OK for strangers to hit me. What it did teach was that I was to follow rules or pay for my actions. It also taught me to respect adults as authority figures. All three of my children were brought up with spankings. I now have three very well behaved responsible adults.

[WickedOne]

If my kids were paddled in school I'd take a trip to that school and do the same to any of the school staff involved and see how they like it. I don't care what others have to say but discipline should be done at home. Teachers and other school staff aren't the ones that gave birth to these kids and they sure as hell shouldn't try to discipline them. 

Furthermore, kids nowadays are much larger than they used to be and I doubt there are many teachers/principals out there that could handle most of these kids. I know I'd snap if anybody other than my parents tried doing that to me back in the day.

[kdgtn46]

"Teachers and staff aren't the ones that gave birth to these kids and they sure as hell shouldn't try to discipline them."

WickedOne - let me get this straight - your child is not to be disciplined.  The child next to him, the one whose parents could not care less - is the class bully and is picking on your child.  Excuse me while I turn my back and pretend not to notice.  I am the teacher and I "sure as hell shouldn't try to discipline them."

[freedomswardogs]

< As adults, when we do something wrong, the courts don't send us for beatings, or 'spankings'.

Maybe our courts and prisons wouldn't be so crowded if they brought back public flogging and hanging. I was paddled in school, Mr Taylor at Horton, Mrs. Barnes at Horton, it didn't teach me that it was OK for strangers to hit me. What it did teach was that I was to follow rules or pay for my actions. It also taught me to respect adults as authority figures. All three of my children were brought up with spankings. I now have three very well behaved responsible adults.

Hey Kstraughn,

I too was raised with the 'paddle' so to speak, both at home and school. For me, I do not credit that type of discipline as the reason I became and continue to be a responsible adult.  I learned that behavior mainly from my daily observation of the kindness and respect my parents showed others.  I have not chosen to raise my son the same way I was raised (although I have reserved spankings for very extreme moments), he too is growing up to be a compassionate, friendly, respectable person. 

In the end, I am not arguing spankings at home, to each his own.  I just don't and won't ever want strangers, teachers...whatever striking my child...period. 

Peace

[WickedOne]

"Teachers and staff aren't the ones that gave birth to these kids and they sure as hell shouldn't try to discipline them."

WickedOne - let me get this straight - your child is not to be disciplined.  The child next to him, the one whose parents could not care less - is the class bully and is picking on your child.  Excuse me while I turn my back and pretend not to notice.  I am the teacher and I "sure as hell shouldn't try to discipline them."

Trust me.... my kids won't be getting bullied by anybody. I've taught them to be nice until it's time to not be nice and take care of business if need be.

Being attentive to an issue in the classroom and taking disciplinary action are two different things. It is the responsibility of the school staff to observe, but should/will never be up to them to decide on physical discipline. ISS, ASD or whatever it might be, but never physical or that's where I step in and take care of things.

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