WRAL at Chatham Sherriff's office

[belle]

This whole focus on 287 g is kind funny.  No one, even I am not pressing for a 287 g program, my whole thing is that the resolutoin prevents our law enforcement to participate in any ICE program.  I for one am advocating the Secure Communities program that focus directly on the criminal aspect that our already in jail.  Plus Sherri Webster has not deported anyone from his jail, nor has their ever been any doors kicked in or raids performed by his dept ever on illgal immigrant's.  But I also note he has not deported anyone to ICE either that was in his jail system and have mostly like been more of the problem of capture and release.  Now those our facts.

then does anyone know what this was about? was it the sheriff or someone else?

I also appreciate Ms. Roper's work and her remarks.

I feel called to add some context, however, to the idea that she was being merely heckled during her presentation. The video shows some of the context, but not all of it.

Ms. Roper repeatedly asked the rhetorical question, and I'm paraphrasing, Has law enforcement in Chatham County abused anyone or split of families? (Something to that effect.)  Now, of course, it was a rhetorical question and did not require an answer. However, there were quite a few people in the audience who had first-hand knowledge of just such abuse and splitting of families, and they felt moved to respond to her question with the answer, "Yes."

This has happened in this county. The latest incident, and the one perhaps most on people's minds at the moment, is the story of the lay preacher at a small downtown Siler City church. He came to the country legally, he was on a two-year work visa, and when it was nearing its expiration, he applied for asylum. He heard nothing from INS, even after repeated inquiries. Then, three weeks ago, he was taken from his house, wife, and children at 4 a.m. by law enforcement and ICE. No one told his family where he would be taken. It was days later before anyone knew that he was being held in Georgia. When lawyers, working pro bono, went to see him, they were denied visitation. At the moment, his wife and children (who are legal residents) have no income, no way to support themselves, and no idea when or how they will see him again.  The community in Siler City and Pittsboro, especially various congregations, have rallied to try to provide support for him and his family. But there is a lot of anger, especially because this was a good, law-abiding man who preached the Word of God and who was trying to play by the rules.

If people in the crowd seemed a little touchy about the assertion, through a rhetorical question, that law enforcement had not been abusive and that Chatham County families had not been split up, perhaps you can understand why. This does not excuse their interrupting Ms. Roper, but I thought I should provide some context. This incident is weighing heavily on a lot of people's minds.

[randy]

that's the only reason I can think of why WRAL was here, I watched to video segment last night they made while they were here and showed the Sheriff's station and the town and court house and all.

[belle]

Randy, you keep saying there have been no people taken from their homes in the night. I just posted something about it happening not 3 weeks ago, in Siler City. read my last post on  this thread, right before your last one. or this:

http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,11001.msg123911.html#msg123911

post #27. don't tell me it never happens here, because it does.

[randy]

This has happened in this county. The latest incident, and the one perhaps most on people's minds at the moment, is the story of the lay preacher at a small downtown Siler City church. He came to the country legally, he was on a two-year work visa, and when it was nearing its expiration, he applied for asylum. He heard nothing from INS, even after repeated inquiries. Then, three weeks ago, he was taken from his house, wife, and children at 4 a.m. by law enforcement and ICE. No one told his family where he would be taken. It was days later before anyone knew that he was being held in Georgia. When lawyers, working pro bono, went to see him, they were denied visitation. At the moment, his wife and children (who are legal residents) have no income, no way to support themselves, and no idea when or how they will see him again.  The community in Siler City and Pittsboro, especially various congregations, have rallied to try to provide support for him and his family. But there is a lot of anger, especially because this was a good, law-abiding man who preached the Word of God and who was trying to play by the rules.

here's my response to the above post;

my questoin is he should of went back and applied for another visa before his legal visa expired.  And yes theirs going to be some sad true stories, but not willing to change our immigration laws for a hardships through the world.  The world by nature is a hard and cruel place and everything should be done to help with what we can.  But the cost of illgal immagratoin in short and long term and it's entitlements they will end up getting will put the US even farther in debt.  I know, my wife's work just cut her hours down to 32 hrs a week for a month.  That's a 20% drop in our monthly income, plus taxes our going up, plus my land taxes went up.  Sorry, but I'm gonna feed my own family and  legal citizens first as this economy is going to get worse, much worse, don't fool yourself.  Some of those folks that spoke at the BOC just want to give our country away and pick up the costs with no rational thinking in the long term by declaring Chatham County a sanctuary county.  And yes I got no problem picking my own lettuce    I don't even know if Commsoiner Lucier is going to run again, but I know Kost is and wants to take control of the Commission, and next election is going to be nasty.  But I also know Kost is more worried about special interest groups and their beloved HR dt self rightessness than me and my family, a paying tax citizen and registered voter.  I'm going to work hard as long as I can to get these folks out of office next election.  O want someone in that office that is going to listen and look out for my family that live here and not the LaRaza group or anyone else outside this county.  Amen on that.  Mayer Voller has also made his his agenda clear at the last BOC meeting exactly who he cares about and is willing to and not to listen too.  As unpopular as Gheen is on the board, watch his videos again closely, he was right on the button in everything he said, especially with no Commsoiner, Mayor or Local law enforcement in the informative meeting.  The man was dead on in all his points.  Again I have no problem with legal immagratoin to to our country, but i will demand that our govt takes care of me and my family first.  I'm not the one who passed this irresponsible resolutoin putting out to the world that Chatham County is a safe sanctuary for illgal immigrant, the BOC dug that whole, just like they keep digging themselves in deeper of Mayor Voller and the HR dt rounding up that crowd to show up Monday night.  
And again someone was yelling about that man dying in the street, anyone could of picked up a cell phone and called 911.  The other speeches where folks are afraid of the authorities is bull.  If someone sees gang activity in the illgal immigrant community, it's not that their scared of law enforcement, there scared of the gangs and retribution if they speak out. lets keep it real.
I'll tel you what, I'll bet you money, if your a honest hard working illgal immigrant and walk into the Sheriff's station and they said, I'm here illegally and want to be sent back home.  ICE nor a community that has 287g will not come and get this man, unless he's a hardened criminal.  He will walk right out of that sheriff's office and not sent back home, it's just not going to happen.  That's why all this 287 BS burns me, it's getting so manipulative by special interests  and organized special interest groups.  And me personally, all I'm asking for is a Secure Communities program.  And now I'm called a Nazi and a heartless conservative amd a racist.  Like I said, randy don't play that game.  It is what it is plain and simple.

[randy]

Randy, you keep saying there have been no people taken from their homes in the night. I just posted something about it happening not 3 weeks ago, in Siler City. read my last post on  this thread, right before your last one. or this:

http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,11001.msg123911.html#msg123911

post #27. don't tell me it never happens here, because it does.

was this a criminal that has been asked to leave the country and failed to apear in cout?  that is what I will ask you before I even look at it.

[randy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491964,00.html

[ALIPAC]

Well, I had been warned that some of your Chatham Commissioners would go to any low to try and defend their power and this ruse to WRAL really takes the dirty politics cake.

First of all, if anyone receives a threat that is against the law call the police and not WRAL.  When you call the media first, it really makes it clear that you are more interested in dirty politics than justice and security.

Second, I will gladly say as many times as I need to that anyone that is pro immigration enforcement that ever breaks the law or threatens anyone should be charged, given a fair trial, and if found guilty punished under the current laws.  I wish the illegal alien supporters in Chatham County had the courage to say the same about illegal aliens that are arrested for crimes.

Third, your county manager looks like an idiot claiming they were threatened and then the police say there is no evidence of threats.

Fourth, watch that video and look at the Chatham County Manager's eyes dart to the side just as he gets to the part of his statement that I think is a lie.  Many police officers, poker players, and just good old average Americans are familiar with that "tell".  I think the County Manager is lying and knows he is lying and must break eye contact with the camera or interviewer he is lying to just as he makes the false statement.

If anyone reading this is not familiar with the darting eyes tell you can spot on a liar.  Try it out at home and ask someone you trust to look you in the face and lie.  Then watch their eyes.  Not all people do this 'tell' but it common.  Test it home, then review the video of the county manager.

[NC YIPPIE]

CHF - did you miss the actual headline -Possible threats against Chatham officials investigated?

Alipac- a lot of assumptions in that post with very little factual evidence. When exactly were the police called? The article doesn't say and if you have evidence of the time line, you would have posted it. Maybe it did happen as you describe, maybe it didn't. You obviously don't seem to know for sure either way.

I think what the police are saying is that there is no evidence of a legally actionable threat. Someone can feel threatened without it meeting the legal definition. I would imagine that some people might say that drawing a firm conclusion without all the facts is also idiotic.

The watch their eyes test? Yes, that sounds very factual and reasonable. No chance for error there.

Just for kicks, a true professional might say something like this:

"It has come to out attention that some possible threats against Chatham County Commissioners are being investigated by law enforcement. While our group strongly disagrees with their position on immigration, we ask those on both sides of the issue to act in a reasonable manner. We do not condone threats of any nature and hope that we can all work together towards a peaceful solution."

Or, you could get on a bulletin board and call him a liar with only partial knowledge of the investigation.

[ALIPAC]

CHF - did you miss the actual headline -Possible threats against Chatham officials investigated?

Alipac- a lot of assumptions in that post with very little factual evidence. When exactly were the police called? The article doesn't say and if you have evidence of the time line, you would have posted it. Maybe it did happen as you describe, maybe it didn't. You obviously don't seem to know for sure either way.

I think what the police are saying is that there is no evidence of a legally actionable threat. Someone can feel threatened without it meeting the legal definition. I would imagine that some people might say that drawing a firm conclusion without all the facts is also idiotic.

The watch their eyes test? Yes, that sounds very factual and reasonable. No chance for error there.

Just for kicks, a true professional might say something like this:

"It has come to out attention that some possible threats against Chatham County Commissioners are being investigated by law enforcement. While our group strongly disagrees with their position on immigration, we ask those on both sides of the issue to act in a reasonable manner. We do not condone threats of any nature and hope that we can all work together towards a peaceful solution."

Or, you could get on a bulletin board and call him a liar with only partial knowledge of the investigation.

You didn't see me call WRAL to try and get coverage and direct it negatively towards the Commission when their supporters Belle and MamaCash on this BBS suggested I could be shot and/or physically "called out" now did I?

I get emails all the time from the tan klan and MS-13 nut jobs threatening to cut off my appendages, but you don't see me crying about it to the media trying to score points against my opposition.

I tell you all from the bottom of my heart, your insider political clique in Chatham County is operating by the latest plays in the La Raza national strategy.

They want to direct attention away from all of the deaths and injuries their sanctuary policy positions are responsible for by pretending to be under some great threat of physical violence themselves.

And of course they clearly pointed the finger right at me and ALIPAC to WRAL although they do not have one shred of evidence that A.  there really were any threats or B. they had anything to do with me or ALIPAC.

So if you are concerned about who is playing lose with the facts here, look no further than your BOC and County Manager and their La Raza advisors.

[randy]

CHF - did you miss the actual headline -Possible threats against Chatham officials investigated?

Alipac- a lot of assumptions in that post with very little factual evidence. When exactly were the police called? The article doesn't say and if you have evidence of the time line, you would have posted it. Maybe it did happen as you describe, maybe it didn't. You obviously don't seem to know for sure either way.

I think what the police are saying is that there is no evidence of a legally actionable threat. Someone can feel threatened without it meeting the legal definition. I would imagine that some people might say that drawing a firm conclusion without all the facts is also idiotic.

The watch their eyes test? Yes, that sounds very factual and reasonable. No chance for error there.

Just for kicks, a true professional might say something like this:

"It has come to out attention that some possible threats against Chatham County Commissioners are being investigated by law enforcement. While our group strongly disagrees with their position on immigration, we ask those on both sides of the issue to act in a reasonable manner. We do not condone threats of any nature and hope that we can all work together towards a peaceful solution."

Or, you could get on a bulletin board and call him a liar with only partial knowledge of the investigation.

You didn't see me call WRAL to try and get coverage and direct it negatively towards the Commission when their supporters Belle and MamaCash on this BBS suggested I could be shot and/or physically "called out" now did I?

I get emails all the time from the tan klan and MS-13 nut jobs threatening to cut off my appendages, but you don't see me crying about it to the media trying to score points against my opposition.

I tell you all from the bottom of my heart, your insider political clique in Chatham County is operating by the latest plays in the La Raza national strategy.

They want to direct attention away from all of the deaths and injuries their sanctuary policy positions are responsible for by pretending to be under some great threat of physical violence themselves.

And of course they clearly pointed the finger right at me and ALIPAC to WRAL although they do not have one shred of evidence that A.  there really were any threats or B. they had anything to do with me or ALIPAC.

So if you are concerned about who is playing lose with the facts here, look no further than your BOC and County Manager and their La Raza advisors.

[NC YIPPIE]

No, but I did see you write an article whining about coverage and putting your own name in the headline of an article - with a byline by yourself. I thought you were joking about the whole 'Jimmy' on Seinfeld thing, but it looks like you do refer to yourself in the third person. That's pretty funny stuff right there.

Mr. Gheen says Mr. Gheen is doing a great job! 

[randy]

No, but I did see you write an article whining about coverage and putting your own name in the headline of an article - with a byline by yourself. I thought you were joking about the whole 'Jimmy' on Seinfeld thing, but it looks like you do refer to yourself in the third person. That's pretty funny stuff right there.

Mr. Gheen says Mr. Gheen is doing a great job! 

again, you use the rhetoric and do not focus on the facts or the thread.

[Claude Bowles]

If anyone reading this is not familiar with the darting eyes tell you can spot on a liar. 

I've heard the same thing said about constant blinking like George W. Bush always did. After seeing your appearance on Lou Dobbs, I was convinced there's some truth in it.

[NC YIPPIE]

There are plenty of assumptions in Mr. Gheen's post not based upon fact. My position is that if public officials are alleged to have been threatened, it should be investigated. Until that information is made public, there's no way of knowing the level or legitimacy of the threat. It is not responsible to dismiss the credibility of a threat just because it does not meet the legal standard. Additionally, Mr. Gheen goes on to call Horne a liar, although he has no personal information about the call or any supporting evidence.  

This thread is about the story, the BOC & the WRAL story. I think my comments are right on point with the topic.

What facts are you talking about anyway?    

[randy]

There are plenty of assumptions in Mr. Gheen's post not based upon fact. My position is that if public officials are alleged to have been threatened, it should be investigated. Until that information is made public, there's no way of knowing the level or legitimacy of the threat. It is not responsible to dismiss the credibility of a threat just because it does not meet the legal standard. Additionally, Mr. Gheen goes on to call Horne a liar, although he has no personal information about the call or any supporting evidence.  

This thread is about the story, the BOC & the WRAL story. I think my comments are right on point with the topic.

What facts are you talking about anyway?    

It was made public on WRAL

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